The Holocaust did happen you racist fuck.

[Jason]

lol pulse is constantly arguing against himself

"dig up research and challenge the knowledge given to you"

the research that you dig up is simply other historical information.
based on what is that information any more reliable than the commonly believed information?
all you have is your own intuition as to what is true and what isnt .. and intuition isnt fact

[J u s T C]

That has pretty much been the theme of every Pulse thread since he invented the internet. It took a minute but you finally nailed this thread.

No need to continue. game over.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Godbody

Speaking my mind in a public forum is racist and ban worthy? At least I'm contributing content that gets kids like you riled up & into the discussion. That's the point of a public forum. For people to come together and share their opinions. For someone to clear up a question another person has, or to contribute to an argument, or to debunk one.

I'm part German myself, and Steven Spielberg made some bullshit propaganda movie called "The Last Days" where he gets soldiers and Holocaust 'survivors' to tell their story of what happened. & Guess what? A lot of those people were exposed for being liars. You'll see people getting interviewed to audition for the movie & they change their story for the movie for dramatic purposes. There's this one black soldier that said his negro unit liberated a camp and they saw some incredibly crazy shit. The funny shit is..documents & records show that the dude was nowhere near the camp he supposedly liberated

Every war has a premise and not every premise is true. & While not every premise is a lie, that doesn't mean someone won't stretch the truth to accomplish a specific goal. How come there's jews giving their video taped account of what happened, saying they were treated fairly? Saying they were given meals, eating well, playing instruments? a WORK camp =/= DEATH camp. The premise for the war was that Hitler was EXTERMINATING jews. Nah, Hitler didn't do anything differently than the American forefathers by slaving people and killing them when they were too emaciated to continue.

If that's the case we should go back in history to the U.S. indentured servitude and slavery and rename that shit the "Black Holocaust".

U.S. slaves were treated way more unfairly, thrown in boats by hundreds, if not thousands. Shitting and pissing all over each other, dying on top of each other...In the ocean for God knows how many days, weeks, or months. Some were even throw overboard for shits and giggles. Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for. All we can do is try to understand what happened and try to find the truth, rather than gravitating to the story that EVERYONE is told about history.

History is written by the winners, never forget this.

& by the way @NOBLE , the U.S. had no reason to interfere with what Germany was doing. That's European business. The Europeans were more than capable of dealing with Germany. And in one of Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully while the U.S. president at the time (Roosevelt) was hell bent on war. Of course the Holocaust wouldn't have been the only premise, but why does the U.S. act as the World Police? The U.S. loves fixing the problems of the world without fixing its own problems. Its why we're fucked now.

Dude, I normally won't criticize what you say because on some level I can relate. Most of the things you say sounds like me from 10 years ago (real talk). But with this one, you're way off the mark. There were various reasons why WWII happened, but Hitler killing the Jews was probably the LAST reason any of the European countries went to war with Germany. The Jews had been hated and persecuted in virtually every European country throughout history because they were considered as other. Germany is widely considered the European "Fatherland" because most northern Europeans trace their ancestry to Germanic or "Teutonic" tribes, including the English and the French. You really think that they went to war to save the Jews?
WWII happened because Adolf Hitler was on some expansionist shit. He had merged Germany with Austria which they told him not to, refused to pay reparations for WWI damages which Germany owed according to the Treaty of Versailles, invaded Czechoslovakia which was in direct contravention of the Munich agreement, and then he invaded Poland after he said he wouldn't and that he wasn't on no expansionist trip. Pretty much, other countries started to feel like Germany was becoming too strong and if they didn't go to war with them, they would be the next one invaded.
The US joined because they were attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbour. Japan was an ally to Germany in a war that was already ongoing so that automatically pitted the US and Germany against each other. Just do the research for yourself (http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/causes.htm).
And yes, neither you nor I were alive when all this occurred, and you're right that history is always told by the victor and there were propaganda from both sides. But you'd have to use your own logic and look at the situation. If a country whom we had previously went to war with owed us money and didn't pay and they were expanding rapidly and conquering neighbouring territories and it looks like we might be next, you really think they'd have to kill some minorities living within their territory first before we decide to bomb the shit out of them? It makes absolutely no sense.
And considering the horrific nature of what did occur to the Jewish people in Germany, it's like a spit on the face when someone like you comes up and says it never happened.

[Babylon]

.........................what the fuck is even happening? This is like saying "Hey, 1+1 =2" then the person saying the entire system of math was structured wrong & the answer is really 16...

[Mindless]

Pulse is human garbage and a complete moron.

[ILLoKWENT]

lol...the whole purpose of this thread was for pulse to get feeded on.. wait a minute. no thats not true.. it's actually pugz and mindless that wanna create more activity in the forums of letsbeef, to possibly enhance an educational aspect of the site, in order to eventually promote their new site called LETS THINK.COM... no, thats not true either....its really (insert theory here).....................zzzzzzzz..

[⅃( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)L]

Originally Posted by Godbody

Speaking my mind in a public forum is racist and ban worthy? At least I'm contributing content that gets kids like you riled up & into the discussion. That's the point of a public forum. For people to come together and share their opinions. For someone to clear up a question another person has, or to contribute to an argument, or to debunk one.

... So you've succesfully "debunked" a Steven Spielberg movie, not the occurence of the holocaust.

---------- Post added at 11:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:27 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Godbody

If that's the case we should go back in history to the U.S. indentured servitude and slavery and rename that shit the "Black Holocaust".

U.S. slaves were treated way more unfairly, thrown in boats by hundreds, if not thousands. Shitting and pissing all over each other, dying on top of each other...In the ocean for God knows how many days, weeks, or months. Some were even throw overboard for shits and giggles. Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for. All we can do is try to understand what happened and try to find the truth, rather than gravitating to the story that EVERYONE is told about history.

Ahhh i see what's going on here. You want the world to consensus to view black slavery as a more tragic piece of history than the holocaust. In my honest opinion, I'd say they are both extremely tragic, and would not fault anyone for feeling more strongly about one or the other. The thing is, there are reasons that the horror of the holocaust is generally felt more. Firstly, it happened more recently. Secondly, a much greater ammount of lives were taken, and lastly it happened over a much, much shorter period of time which is naturally more shocking.

[Godbody]

Mindless it's understandable that you're mad because you're Jewish and were probably told war stories of what occurred. I'm not saying horrible things didn't occur, I'm just saying you weren't there so give me indisputable evidence that it happened or stfu, and that goes for everyone. Everyone thinks I'm wrong because Germany takes blame for it and history says this and history says that

I'm saying a large number of Jews stretched the truth in an effort to get everyone to sympathize with them more, creating an unnecessary amount of hate for Germany and depicting Germany in a negative light by generalizing its peoples as Nazis or anti-semites. Don't call me garbage because your peoples have a history of playing the victim role when Jews are actually at the top of the power structure in terms of a lot of the institutions that exist today.

Who gives a fuck what you learn in school or read in history books. For the last time, history was written by the winners. I want you guys to challenge authority and in doing so, challenge yourself and the common consensus. I'm not an anti-semitic person or a nazi sympathizer. The internet is an expansive, informative, crazy, place. That's the beauty of coming together in a forum where all the answers and supporting arguments are only a tab away

Only I won't be the one providing the supporting arguments to my claims anymore. The Godbody answers to no one but questions everything....

[⅃( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)L]

Originally Posted by Godbody

& by the way @NOBLE , the U.S. had no reason to interfere with what Germany was doing. That's European business. The Europeans were more than capable of dealing with Germany. And in one of Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully while the U.S. president at the time (Roosevelt) was hell bent on war. Of course the Holocaust wouldn't have been the only premise, but why does the U.S. act as the World Police? The U.S. loves fixing the problems of the world without fixing its own problems. Its why we're fucked now.

LMAOOOO! Listen bro, that whole "world police" idea came after World War 2. The first notion of it started during the beginning of the cold war when the "war on communism" became a popular in political discussions.
Did you forget about the attacks on Pearl Harbor? The reason for that attack was that the United States had cut off exports to Japan, after they fucked with our allies in Europe. Did you forget that 3 days after the Pearl Harbor attacks, Germany and Italy both declared war on the United States? Were you aware that the United States was much more involved in the conflicts concerning Italy and Japan than they were with Germany, and that it was the Soviet Union who invaded Germany, not the U.S.?

---------- Post added at 12:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:04 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Godbody

Mindless it's understandable that you're mad because you're Jewish and were probably told war stories of what occurred. I'm not saying horrible things didn't occur, I'm just saying you weren't there so give me indisputable evidence that it happened or stfu, and that goes for everyone. Everyone thinks I'm wrong because Germany takes blame for it and history says this and history says that

I'm saying a large number of Jews stretched the truth in an effort to get everyone to sympathize with them more, creating an unnecessary amount of hate for Germany and depicting Germany in a negative light by generalizing its peoples as Nazis or anti-semites. Don't call me garbage because your peoples have a history of playing the victim role when Jews are actually at the top of the power structure in terms of a lot of the institutions that exist today.

Who gives a fuck what you learn in school or read in history books. For the last time, history was written by the winners. I want you guys to challenge authority and in doing so, challenge yourself and the common consensus. I'm not an anti-semitic person or a nazi sympathizer. The internet is an expansive, informative, crazy, place. That's the beauty of coming together in a forum where all the answers and supporting arguments are only a tab away

It's interesting how you feel that any evidence supporting any claim you are making is indisputable, whereas any evidence supporting the argument is disputable. You say fuck history books because they were all written by winners. Are all winners liars? If so, were the books about black slavery not written by winners? Do you see the flaws in your logic?

[Godbody]

What flaws in my logic? YOUR logic is that all winners are liars. That's not my logic. My logic is that winners write history, therefore they write history to THEIR liking. There is nothing disputable about that. The history books didn't erase the slavery part because they know it's incredibly unrealistic to instill the idea in the minds of today's youth that our country is a fucking Utopia founded by Utopians...In a manner where not a life was lost & not a single injustice occured. If that's the case niggas would still be watching Disney movies well into their 30's.

& I was the first in the thread to say we went to war with Japan because of Pearl Harbor. Why are you repeating what I already stated? The point I'm getting @ is Japan bombed Pearl Harbor & most of the Japanese were fine with it due to the propagandist culture that was rampant in the world during that time period

What makes you think there isn't a propaganda war going on now? What makes you think there wasn't a propaganda war going on throughout several countries in order to kickstart a World War? After all, a World War does take more than 2 countries.