Should we get rid of the 1-10 scale?

[AmBitiousFlow]

Decent idea...I always thought only certain people could vote on certain battles...like set up a:

LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION: For beginners, new users and only they can vote on LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION BATTLES

MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION: For Rookies starting to make a presence on the site and they can only vote on MIDDLEWEIGHT BATTLES & LIGHTWEIGHT BATTLES

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION: For battlers with Heavyweight status and only other Heavyweight battlers can vote in the HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION, MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION, AND LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION...

You would have to embed a system to determine the skill level of a battler of course and may require some extra coding but its something I've always thought would bring some more activity and motivation to the site while also bettering the voting system by not allowing "noobs" vote on "Vets" battles with 5's and shit when they dont understand the bars!

@RULE @Just C @Dissizit @Mindless @Pugz @ILLoKWENT @Phil Banks @ALL MODS/ADMINS @LETSBEEF!!!!!!!!!!!

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Mr-Felon

Ok The trackside is Already hurting as it is and has been for a good amount of time.....So now you want to Alter the rate system?How is that going to bring life into the Trackside?If it won't then exactly what would be the point?I believe all these "Alterations"to the site as a whole has been a part of its Downfall and if you don't think Letsbeef.coms went to shit activity wise then you're blind.........IF IT'S NOT BROKE WHY FIX IT? ps we all know people on the tracksides don't even care really about getting 10/10 5 stars its more on "i wanna get as many plays as I can to make it to the top of most played"

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Ps just seems pointless to me

What alterations? No alterations have been made to the track or battle format in anyway.

People grow up, people grow tired. no new blood replaces. thats the problem.

And people do care about getting 10'. we've both been here long enough to know this. People bitch n cry hater when they get lower rate than they THINK htey deserve. It's been a track side trademark since we've both been here.

[Mr-Felon]

"ALTERATION"rules or whatever..........remember the dum shit like deleting threads of people promoting there music in threads because they didnt "check"2 tracks on the track section?Remember NOT being able to upload a friends track who didn't have exclusive?Remember no more porn sigs?Remember no more multi accounts?Remember ips bans?Remember MODS DELETING COMMENT WARS ON TRACKS?Remember the BLOCK OPTION?Now everyones blocking everyone?yeah "alteration to the freedom lb users used to have"Now you wanna change the 10 rate system why exactly?to put the final Nail in the Coffin?and if you do the 5 system you don't think someones gonna bitch about a 2 or 3?This site died a slow death over the last few years becus of the FUN FACTOR BEING SUCKED OUT OF IT

[FreezyCT]

but then what will the artists (^^) use as a crutch?

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Just C

First off a 1 to 10 rating scale is inconsistent. It can never be a solid measurement of a persons skill level or progression when 1 mans 10 is another mans 5 is another mans 4 is another mans 2 is another mans 8 ect ect ect.

Thanks to this arbitrary system you can see someone post well thought out witty and intricate lines lose out on a hotlist place to some one due to the more critical voters being attracted to the better writers and voting lower due to their more critical voting.

While the lazier writers /beginner level writers get a spot on the hotlist due to the more knowledgeable/critical voters not voting on them because they don't want to read garbage while the people on that same simple level vote anything from 7's to 10's in their droves because it's easier for their lower level confined thinking to get. But when they vote on a more accomplished writers battles they vote lower because they don't get it or they see the more accomplished voters getting critical and feel the need to follow suit on some sheeple shit.

Not only that. But because we have this 1 to 10 scale. People tend to focus on the score more than the feedback. Especially if it's a low score.. You take away the scoring system and it breaks down that emotional barrier that is a low score and opens up a route to the feedback.

The system is dated and counter productive and causes more problems than it solves.

Remove the rating scale and replace it with a simple click to vote for winner. And for tracks a like or dislike tab

Hotlist requirements should be based on 2 thing.

1) The amount of votes a battles gets.
2) The total accumulated VP.

It's a lot easier to receive a dislike as 1 mans preference than it is to receive 1 out of 10. Just as it is easier to take someone simply voting for the other guy rather than them voting for the other guy THEN to add insult to injury hand you a 1 out of 10

No more bitching about low rates. No more inconsistency's of seeing a dope verse get a 5 and a really shitty 1 get a fucking 10.

You vote your winner, leave your feedback. nobodys got cause to complain. Nice and simple. Nice and clean. straight to the point. no imaginary meter judging your skill level.

I agree that having a hotlist based on amount of votes and accumulated VP would be more ideal in reflecting the battles that should be on the hotlist. However, I disagree with some of your premises and reasoning for wanting to get rid of the rating scale. There is nothing wrong with one man perceiving a verse to be a 10 and another man perceiving the same verse to be a 5. That's just human nature to have varying views and I wouldn't even seek to control that. I wouldn't say the rating scale is "inconsistent" because of instances like that...more like the voters themselves are inconsistent with each other as far as how they rate certain verses. If we're talking "inconsistent" as far as some sniper getting 10's from his buddy voters and a vet getting 6's and 7's from more educated voters, I think the fact that these are different voters on different battles makes things pretty self-explanatory. When you hover over the Estimated Text/Audio Skill stars under any battler's name , the number you see is the average of all the ratings they have ever received in their Text/Audio battles. When you hover and compare the numerical star ratings of people who most people would consider vets or heavyweights with everyone else, including the snipers who we may have seen receiving 10's once or twice and being on top of the hotlist, the system is actually pretty accurate. Because of that, I'd venture to say that cases where snipers are receiving higher ratings and vets receives lower ratings because their battles are attracting more critical voters are FAR more the exception than the norm. It doesn't merit getting rid of it because of that alone. Getting rid of the scale certainly would end people complaining about "low ratings", but I highly doubt the general quality of feedback given by voters would be any better than it is now, but it would be the only measure, so yes, I can see how it may lead to battlers focusing more on the feedback. I don't think having a minimum character in order to place a vote (in order to get more feedback) is a good idea either. From a battler's perspective, the more people have to say, the better...and we all hate those FV VB comments...but realistically, I think it would lead to people voting even less. People are lazy. Forcing them to have to input a certain amount of words when all they want to say is "I think one got it" will make them even less inclined to vote. So it sounds like a good idea that would lead to longer, better expos, but I don't think it would work out the way some of you might think. It will make voting across the site even more dead.
I do agree with you that having a hotlist based on the two things you mentioned, amount of total VP and votes...makes a lot of sense, but I'd be more in favor of tweaking the current system to resolve some of the issues and attain the same results than a complete replacement for a number of reasons which I'm not going to get into right now because it will be another novel.
One practical way to approach this would be to just have the rating scale as an option....the same way you can vote on battles and and pick a winner without necessarily having to rate their metaphor, wordplay and punchline skills. Then people can pick a winner and drop an expo without rating...but if they also want to give a rating, they can do so as well.

[FiNAL WoRD]

wooooah... I am nooot reading all that ^

[J u s T C]

Thats a lot to respond to. Not that I disagree. But for a lot of what you said there is a counter argument. And it comes down to which will have the bigger effect and will that effect be for better or worse. I'll have to come back when I have time to sit down and break it down.

But for now. Do you agree or disagree that (for argument sake) removing the rating scale will reduce a lot of the arguing/accusations of hate voting. Do you agree or diagree that the majority of people see numbers before they see words when it comes to having their work or other work judged? (It' a convenience thing)

People don't even use the rating scale properly anyway. You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this. People hand out 10's like candy on the track section no matter how poorly executed the piece in question is. So whats the point? It has, still is, and always will be manipulated. there's no truth to the system. This system pushes the shite above the great. It's a system tailor made for back scratching and false plaudits and to gain unjustified high rankings. Without it and with a VP system in place, it wont be perfect. what system is? but it will a million times more fair and accurate than what we currently have.

[Mr-Felon]

I can agree that there has never been truth to the system

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PS. I noticed that most of the Voters are from Non TRACK MAKERS theres a few but MAJORITY are non track makers

[Student]

Originally Posted by Mr-Felon

I can agree that there has never been truth to the system

---------- Post added at 01:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:16 PM ----------

PS. I noticed that most of the Voters are from Non TRACK MAKERS theres a few but MAJORITY are non track makers