What are your feelings on Abortion?

[ViTRiOL]

Originally Posted by IV

I think it's very easy for men to comment on it either way.

Thus why this debate is so magnanimously redundant.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

Now I don't think you understand depression either. Seeing as depression can be a mood disorder (in the form of major depressive disorder, manic depression etc.) and has been clinically proven and published within the DSM IV as a mental disorder with biological statistics (low production of serotonin and dopamine, depression of the central nervous system, hormone dysfunction).

You're doing nothing but judge without any real weight behind your overall rebuke. You just simply believe that pregnancy can't physically affect a woman for the rest of her life (which in a lot of cases occurs) and that depression is nothing more than a transient mood-swing? Shit man, you need to read more.



And I never said a father has no right to the birth of a child. I said that the individuals involved in the pregnancy "situation" usually discuss and rationalise, but I still don't think a male has the right to tell a woman to either go through with the childbirth or have the abortion. That's called shirking the physical rights of a human being.

Why do you keep flying off the handle about things I clearly stated?

This time I word for word said "I literally dont understand depression" and you wrote a paragraph to prove I understand it?

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Originally Posted by IV

I think it's very easy for men to comment on it either way. If a woman get's pregnant from a drunken mistake, yes that's her own fault but a baby shouldn't be seen as a punishment for a mistake. The man in that situation would never have to feel anything, he'd just go home and high five his friends that he got laid.

Okay, so the woman gets an abortion? Fuck that disgusting cunt is my reply to that. So she just never finds the guy and tells him she's pregnant with his baby? That's fucking ridiculous and she deserves anything bad that falls upon her.

Originally Posted by IV

I think our lives get restricted enough without people telling women that they have to have a child.

No one tells them they need to have unprotected sex.

Originally Posted by IV

And Dave I agree with your comment about the father rights too. If a girl aborts a child that the guy wants then that isn't fair at all. But as far as the physical thing, it's not just that, it's not 9 months of things being shit.. it's what the woman could have been doing in those 9 months to build her planned future, and the fact they're never going to be able to have the same life again, when 9 out of 10 times the man's life doesn't really change at all. He will still continue on his career path and MOST OF THE TIME (yes i understand there's exceptions to everything) it's the woman who gives her life up to raise a child.

To be honest, I just don't really understand "unexpected pregnancy". From a guy's perspective, you fuck a girl without a johnny on then you're completely shitting yourself until she tells you it's all clear (by yucky girl stiff methods). Sure you've got that ridiculously low percentage of condoms not working.

But all in all, adoption is still there. That's the main thing I'm pushing. This "the child's quality of life" stuff is the biggest cop out ever. Everyone on the planet is under this illusion that they had a hard upbringing. Some of them actually will be too, and it didn't stop them enjoying life and becoming what they wanted to. If you aren't ready, responsible enough, or just straight up don't want a child, then put it up for adoption. To claim that 9 months out of your life is the biggest set back of all time is ridiculous. A broken leg would keep you away from whatever it is you need to be at for more time. And that's not to mention that it's 9 months for YOUR mistake you know.

[ViTRiOL]

I realise that abortion is still illegal in Ireland but due to the religious residual that still plagues the country, not for any reasons regarding human rights matters. Sexual protection isn't taught nor encouraged in education either so it's still a Catholic dogfight over there. I'm bearing this in mind.

Also Dave, you said you're opposed to depression and that it is simply a state of wallowing or self-pity. That was completely false hence why I explained the difference between depression and pitying oneself.

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Taking into account the hypothetical upbringing of the child of an unwanted pregnancy isn't a cop-out, it's far less shortsighted that what you are proposing. You're making it sound as if adoption is a simple procedure but it isn't. There are so many abandoned children in the world stuck in orphanages and fostering homes, I believe that adopting a child is probably a more proficient action to take over conceiving a child yet on top of that, I believe abortion is a more proficient action to take over an adoption scenario regarding an unwanted pregnancy.

I think you have a lot of bias and a distinct lack of empathy. My philosophy is that we think about the rights of the conscious individual first and foremost alongside the potential sociological factors a child may be affected by in a life that has orphanhood as its foundation.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

I realise that abortion is still illegal in Ireland but due to the religious residual that still plagues the country, not for any reasons regarding human rights matters. Sexual protection isn't taught nor encouraged in education either so it's still a Catholic dogfight over there. I'm bearing this in mind.

Also Dave, you said you're opposed to depression and that it is simply a state of wallowing or self-pity. That was completely false hence why I explained the difference between depression and pitying oneself.

Abortion is illegal but sexual education is in no way hindered by Catholicism. The country is VERY lowly ran by religion these days.

I don't understand depression though. It's like someone speaking to me in Swahili. I don't get how you can't just do something you enjoy to change things around.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

Taking into account the hypothetical upbringing of the child of an unwanted pregnancy isn't a cop-out, it's far less shortsighted that what you are proposing. You're making it sound as if adoption is a simple procedure but it isn't. There are so many abandoned children in the world stuck in orphanages and fostering homes, I believe that adopting a child is probably a more proficient action to take over conceiving a child yet on top of that, I believe abortion is a more proficient action to take over an adoption scenario regarding an unwanted pregnancy.

And are the well cared for children in orphanages not worth being born? Is the life of a child really as expendable as "Yeah, adoptions a bit of an annoying process, fuck it, who cares about the child". Getting pregnant, or getting someone pregnant, is a fairly huge mistake to make. In my opinion, the consequences of such a mistake should be having to find a suitable way for the child to be cared for, and if that's not from you then it should be from adoption.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

I think you have a lot of bias and a distinct lack of empathy. My philosophy is that we think about the rights of the conscious individual first and foremost alongside the potential sociological factors a child may be affected by in a life that has orphanhood as its foundation.

I don't have empathy. Why would I have empathy for someone who has sex and as a result gets pregnant? I'm omitting cases of rape or serious medical concerns deliberately as they bring up much clearer options. But if you're just too selfish to at least sort out care for a child, whom will have an excellent chance of enjoying their life, then you shouldn't have the womb to house the child in the first place.

[ViTRiOL]

I feel like both sides of the coin have been thoroughly shafted here.

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My auntie told me that my 11 year old cousin came back from school after having sexual education and none of the resources referred to condoms, the pill or any other form of protection. I did say religious residual, Ireland still has a plentiful amount of historical bias in its legislation.

Originally Posted by ViTRiOL

I feel like both sides of the coin have been thoroughly shafted here.

---------- Post added 07-05-2014 at 12:00 AM ---------- Previous post was 07-04-2014 at 11:58 PM ----------

My auntie told me that my 11 year old cousin came back from school after having sexual education and none of the resources referred to condoms, the pill or any other form of protection. I did say religious residual, Ireland still has a plentiful amount of historical bias in its legislation.

Who doesn't know about johnnies or the pill though? Like how do you not make a condom joke the first time you buy a packet of Johnny Onion Rings? Or how do you not burst out laughing when someone the other side of class asks if anyone's got a rubber?

[ViTRiOL]

Originally Posted by BarzILLA

Wrap that Mother Fuck wit LATEX or dat bitch finna have your PAY CHEQUES

Or in your case, a mini Milky Way wrapper.

[Denton]

Fuck Religion. If women want abortions thats none of our business.

[ViTRiOL]

Originally Posted by DJ Denton

Fuck Religion. If women want abortions thats none of our business.

Thank you.