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A crew draft causes too much potential for "crew hopping." Whether it be because they don't like another member, or they find the name unsuitable, or any other possible reason they may come up with in this context.(Of course, these are reasons they may use regardless, but are less prevalent with the current set up.) If the members are allowed to choose their own crew affiliations(which is the current case.), this creates an increase in the likelihood to remain with that specific crew, as it was their own choice to be a part of it.
"Crew Hopping" Can Be Countered Easily By Having People Agree To The Terms Of The Draft (Like Athletes And Contracts) They're Bound By The Terms Of The Draft, Which State They Must Stay In Their Drafted Crews (But Leaders Can Put In For A Transfer Which Must Be Agreed By The Corresponding Leader) Otherwise They're Not Allowed To Take Part. Plus People Would Be Signing Up For The Draft Themselves, So They Have A Choice, So It's Not Like We'd Force Anyone To Go With It.
Plus, I Wouldn't Have The Crews Be Made Until Everyone Agrees With The Name Of Their Crew (Team Building Activity Btw ).

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A crew draft causes too much potential for "crew hopping." Whether it be because they don't like another member, or they find the name unsuitable, or any other possible reason they may come up with in this context.(Of course, these are reasons they may use regardless, but are less prevalent with the current set up.) If the members are allowed to choose their own crew affiliations(which is the current case.), this creates an increase in the likelihood to remain with that specific crew, as it was their own choice to be a part of it.
"Crew Hopping" Can Be Countered Easily By Having People Agree To The Terms Of The Draft (Like Athletes And Contracts) They're Bound By The Terms Of The Draft, Which State They Must Stay In Their Drafted Crews (But Leaders Can Put In For A Transfer Which Must Be Agreed By The Corresponding Leader) Otherwise They're Not Allowed To Take Part. Plus People Would Be Signing Up For The Draft Themselves, So They Have A Choice, So It's Not Like We'd Force Anyone To Go With It.
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But, agreeing to the terms of the draft, doesn't mean that they will follow through with that agreement. And signing up for the draft, doesn't mean it is their choice which crew that they will be a part of. For instance, I can AGREE to the terms, but, what stops me from leaving the crew once I've joined? Nothing. Also, I can CHOOSE to sign up for the draft, but, may not like the crew I have become a part of. What stops me from leaving the crew? Nothing. Crew drafts are inherently flawed, man.

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But, agreeing to the terms of the draft, doesn't mean that they will follow through with that agreement. And signing up for the draft, doesn't mean it is their choice which crew that they will be a part of. For instance, I can AGREE to the terms, but, what stops me from leaving the crew once I've joined? Nothing. Also, I can CHOOSE to sign up for the draft, but, may not like the crew I have become a part of. What stops me from leaving the crew? Nothing. Crew drafts are inherently flawed, man.

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But, agreeing to the terms of the draft, doesn't mean that they will follow through with that agreement. And signing up for the draft, doesn't mean it is their choice which crew that they will be a part of. For instance, I can AGREE to the terms, but, what stops me from leaving the crew once I've joined? Nothing. Also, I can CHOOSE to sign up for the draft, but, may not like the crew I have become a part of. What stops me from leaving the crew? Nothing. Crew drafts are inherently flawed, man.
If They Don't Follow Through (This Means Not Going To The Crew Or Dropping Out) Then They're Out (I'd Get Some Prizes In Order Too As An Incentive For People To Sign Up [Besides Activity])

Plus, The Draft Is The First Step, Tournament Follows After A Certain Time Where Everyone Is Comfortable With Each Other And Transfers Are Accepted, Captains / Names Are Picked, Etc.
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But, agreeing to the terms of the draft, doesn't mean that they will follow through with that agreement. And signing up for the draft, doesn't mean it is their choice which crew that they will be a part of. For instance, I can AGREE to the terms, but, what stops me from leaving the crew once I've joined? Nothing. Also, I can CHOOSE to sign up for the draft, but, may not like the crew I have become a part of. What stops me from leaving the crew? Nothing. Crew drafts are inherently flawed, man.
If They Don't Follow Through (This Means Not Going To The Crew Or Dropping Out) Then They're Out (I'd Get Some Prizes In Order Too As An Incentive For People To Sign Up [Besides Activity])

Plus, The Draft Is The First Step, Tournament Follows After A Certain Time Where Everyone Is Comfortable With Each Other And Transfers Are Accepted, Captains / Names Are Picked, Etc.
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That's all well, and good. But, if so many people break the terms of the draft, the entire draft falls apart. It's a flawed idea.
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That's all well, and good. But, if so many people break the terms of the draft, the entire draft falls apart. It's a flawed idea.
 
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That's all well, and good. But, if so many people break the terms of the draft, the entire draft falls apart. It's a flawed idea.
Not If People Want To Do It, I'll Throw Up A Poll: Draft Or Illmania 4? I'll List The Terms / Rules / Guidelines, Etc. And You List Yours For Illmania, Deal? Otherwise I Can Start The Sign Ups But I'd Rather Do It Without A Crew Event Going On At The Same Time.
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That's all well, and good. But, if so many people break the terms of the draft, the entire draft falls apart. It's a flawed idea.
Not If People Want To Do It, I'll Throw Up A Poll: Draft Or Illmania 4? I'll List The Terms / Rules / Guidelines, Etc. And You List Yours For Illmania, Deal? Otherwise I Can Start The Sign Ups But I'd Rather Do It Without A Crew Event Going On At The Same Time.
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There have already been polls for a crew draft. It has been brought up several times since EJT's original draft. Do whatever you want, man. But, crew drafts do not work. It's simple.
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There have already been polls for a crew draft. It has been brought up several times since EJT's original draft. Do whatever you want, man. But, crew drafts do not work. It's simple.
 
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I'm Putting Up A Thread Right Now, Do You Want To Include Your Plans For The Crew Tournament? If So, PM Me The Details And I'll Throw Up A Poll Asking People Which Event They Would Prefer.
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I'm Putting Up A Thread Right Now, Do You Want To Include Your Plans For The Crew Tournament? If So, PM Me The Details And I'll Throw Up A Poll Asking People Which Event They Would Prefer.
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@Student Nope, sure don't. No one wants to disrupt the order of the already established crews. Do you, though, fam.

@Anarchist Yes, another Illmania would be very interesting. ACs year to win, maybe?
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@Student Nope, sure don't. No one wants to disrupt the order of the already established crews. Do you, though, fam.

@Anarchist Yes, another Illmania would be very interesting. ACs year to win, maybe?
 
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