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Originally Posted by Dean

What? It absolutely can be a racial thing. Obviously, privilege isn't just limited to race but the color of your skin definitely can grant you advantages.

Agreed. It can give you advantages. Like the examples I gave where a black person could gain an advantage. People gain different advantages from each other. White people don't gain blanket advantages over black people, and visa versa. People have their own individual privileges based on a large number of things.

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your looking at most television shows, historical figures, newspapers, video games, greeting cards, exd. Majority of the time you can expect to find white people.

Disagreed. I've only ever had an extremely positive media reaction to black people and have only ever seen them do amazing and successful things

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your in history class learning about civilization, you're going to learn that people of your race basically made it what it is.

I never once learned about Scottish civilisation. I learned about the romans mainly in "civilisation". I'm white, the romans are white. Cool. Do you think I have ANY cultural connection to a Roman? A lot of people assume white people care about other white people. I have absolutely NO connection to a Russian person based on skin colour. We're from completely different parts of the world and have ZERO similarities culturally. Us being white has NO similarities at all. I've never been taught that my culture has ever really done anything successful. I don't see a depiction of Jesus and think "White men killing it out there". I don't feel like me and whatever race Jesus was or was not is anything close to whatever I am.

Originally Posted by dean

^These might not seem like much, but they can play a huge effect in shaping a person's worldview.

I feel, and this is a generalization and you can correct me on it, that black people are often put down by their own culture. I've read some white privilege things saying "White people can walk into a building without people thinking they have a gun on them". Who the fuck thinks that? I can't imagine white people ever think a well dressed respectable looking black man "likely has a gun on him" but it's common place for black people to feel the world views them like this. Someone from the BLM movement the other day in London said "People see a group of black teenagers and cross the street". In London, people will often cross the street if they see a group of teenagers of any creed or culture, but it appears to me that many people feel that the black race specifically are treated like this BECAUSE of their race, which simply isn't the overall case.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[I

Yes, everybody has their own shit. I completely agree. For example, I have a cousin that's gay. Never in my life did I have to worry about people accepting me for my sexual orientation. On the contrary, he has. That's a huge privilege I have, and it's important that I 'understand' and bring attention to those kind of advantages/privileges.[/I]

But because you are straight doesn't mean you automatically have been more privileged than your cousin. Plenty of gay people have faced very little homophobia in their lives and have been accepted by everyone they've ever been around. On the contrary, plenty of straight people may have faced some serious problems due to their sexuality. You can't say someone has a privilege over someone else based on a blanket statement like race, gender or sexuality. Privilege is a specific and case by case personal thing.


Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...

You asked me if I could refute any of these lol. a lot of these stuff would start a completely different conversation, but I picked out some of them because they aren't exactly black privileges.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is never having to assume you got everything handed to you because of your race.

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Never? This one made me cringe lol. "Oh, you got accepted into a good college?....that's only because your black" or "Oh, your a star athlete?...Well, if I was black I'd be as good as you too." I can't tell you how many of my friends think I got academic scholarships, only because I'm black or that I get graded easier because of my race.
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Now you're getting the point. Almost all of these examples of "privilege" work both ways. I picked common examples. I don't care or believe in them specifically. Everyone faces their own shit. I can't say to a black guy who didn't get into college "Black people get into college easier so you're privileged". He didnt. He didnt get that privilege. Him being black didn't afford him that privilege, as is the case with most "white privilege".

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

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lol this is like complaining about blackpeoplemeet.com or black history month. Once again, you see white people EVERYWHERE. They are represented on almost every level. I could easily find a television station(s) where majority of people represented are white.
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Black people are everywhere too. I click on the music channel, if it's not Iggy Azzealia it's a black artist. Which means nothing. Plenty of talented black people are out there right now and that's fine. But these days there's so much positive representation of black people that you can't use this example.

I do complain about shit like blackpeoplemeet.com. I once went onto blackplanet.com. A thread was "Why don't you like white people?". Most people said "Cause we have nothing in common". I mean these lads are talking about rap music, rap battling, Friday....I'm pretty sure I know more than 90% of the site on all of the topics they'd be discussing. Bunch of Soulja Boi fans saying white people don't know about rap and shit.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.

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Yes, this is a very important issue that has major impacts in society. I don't understand why this wouldn't be taught. (We have discussions about the fairness of affirmative action in college too) On a side note, not all privileges are the weighted the same- the advantages you receive from being white aren't as powerful as the advantages you can receive from being right-handed, so we don't cover every type of privilege.[/I]

It's an issue because it's segregation...but it's not an issue because racism WAS a big issue, and by allowing more black people into universities it means that it gives more opportunities to people who might not have got them otherwise. Also...please...PLEASE....don't say right handed privilege again. The internet just DOESNT need that.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[B

I know, I have MANY privileges that other people don't, ranging from economic status to being a male. I'm not denying that at all. However, some of the advantages people receive are very significant (some being life threatening) so it's important that I understand that these advantages exist.

And white privilege shouldn't be used to say all white people have it easy/ used to say why white people are racist/ used to defend every black person that isn't successful/ used to say why all black people have harder lives bra blah blah...

No. That's besides the point. It's just important to, whether you believe it or not, understand that race is still an issue and to be able to openly discuss the effects of certain racial privileges.[/B]

I generally agree with most of the end of this. Acknowledging that you have it easier in people can be great to allow you to appreciate what you have and let you understanding other people's points of view. But look around...how often do you hear about "able bodied privilege" Vs "white privilege". People are telling white people to "check their privilege", claiming "black people can't be racist" and "black privilege doesnt exist" all the while wandering around on two legs thinking they have it hard and not acknowledging their "able bodied privilege".

People don't want to admit they are privileged. I will admit that white people can have it easier than black people when black people admit they can have it easier than white people. Race is not THE most important thing. Really, it's not. People don't care about other privileges that they are in "receipt of". If I'm told to "check my white privilege", I want someone to "check their whatever privilege". I've never heard the BLM leader discuss people with mental or physical disabilities and how they are catered for in the country. He doesn't care. The important thing to him is fighting against police (whom he automatically assumes are white regardless of their actual race) and defending any exclusively black (no other race) person that is killed for any reason by the police.

People have their own privilege. Privilege isn't defined by race, gender, sex, birth gender identity etc. It's defined by the shit each person deals with. White privilege is the belief that white people don't ever face the problems anyone else does. Male privilege is the belief that males don't ever face the problems woman have. These problems are like "You don't have to deal with random stops in the airport" (I've been stopped every single time I ever flew 'randomly') or "Men don't have to fear being raped on the way home from the pub"...even though men have been raped before.

These blanket statements are only designed to separate people further. A black guy can't call a white guy privileged, because that black guy doesn't know that white guy. No one can call anyone who's live they don't know "privileged". You have to take it on an individual scenario. Has that white person actually benefited because they are white? Has that black person actually faced negativity because they are black? The Hayes Brothers did a good video saying they've never been oppressed by anyone and feel that if anything, they are more privileged than the majority of white people they've met.

Off the topic of privilege, I just read back to back articles on an Irish feminism website. The first article was about women deserving more equality in the pay gap to men. Literally the article above it was discussing how women feel horrible during their period, and how it would be great if they were given time to handle it out of work.

I couldn't handle what birds go through. Seems terrible. Seems like having to handle going to work with a hangover for a few days every single month. But you know what doesn't earn you a rise? Going to work with a hangover for a few days every single month.

[Student]

*Sits and waits for the punchlines*

THE COLD WITHIN

SIX HUMANS TRAPPED BY HAPPENSTANCE
IN BLACK AND BITTER COLD,
EACH ONE POSSESSED A STICK OF WOOD,
OR SO THE STORY’S TOLD.

THEIR DYING FIRE IN NEED OF LOGS,
THE FIRST WOMAN HELD HERS BACK,
FOR ON THE FACES AROUND THE FIRE,
SHE NOTICED ONE WAS BLACK.

THE NEXT MAN LOOKING ACROSS THE WAY
SAW ONE NOT OF HIS CHURCH,
AND COULD’T BRING HIMSELF TO GIVE
THE FIRE HIS STICK OF BIRCH.

THE THIRD ONE SAT IN TATTERED CLOTHES.
HE GAVE HIS COAT A HITCH.
WHY SHOULD HIS LOG BE PUT TO USE
TO WARM THE IDLE RICH?

THE RICH MAN JUST SAT BACK AND THOUGHT
OF THE WEALTH HE HAD IN STORE,
AND HOW TO KEEP WHAT HE HAD EARNED
FROM THE LAZY SHIFTLESS POOR.

THE BLACK MAN’S FACE BESPOKE REVENGE
AS THE FIRE PASSED FROM HIS SIGHT.
FOR ALL HE SAW IN HIS STICK OF WOOD
WAS A CHANCE TO SPITE THE WHITE.

AND THE LAST MAN OF THIS FORLORN GROUP
DID NOT EXCEPT FOR GAIN.
GIVING ONLY TO THOSE WHO GAVE,
WAS HOW HE PLAYED THE GAME.

THE LOGS HELD TIGHT IN DEATH’S STILL HANDS
WAS PROOF OF HUMAN SIN.
THEY DIDN’T DIE FROM THE COLD WITHOUT,
THEY DIED FROM THE COLD WITHIN.

- James Patrick Kinney

Originally Posted by iCaL

Black man to white man: "You have white privilege"
Skinny woman to black man: "You have male privilege"
Fat woman to skinny woman: "You have skinny privilege"
Trans woman to fat woman: "You have cis privilege"
Gay white man to trans woman: "You have straight privilege"
Black man to gay white man: "You have white privilege"

You've seen some black people deal with things some white people haven't. Cool. Have you seen some things white people have dealt with that black people havent? Privilege isn't a racial thing. It doesn't exist in bulk. It exists in individual cases. You going to tell me that some black kid growing up in Bel Air to rich parents is at a disadvantage to some white kid who's parents raped them and threw them out on the streets...cause of their race?

Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...



Black privilege is being able to be proud of your race without being branded as a racist.

Black privilege is being able to take advantage of affirmative action to gain easier spots in colleges or jobs.

Black privilege is to be able to claim that no matter what you do, it is impossible that it is a racist act.

Black privilege is being able to condemn white people for the actions of their ancestors 70 years ago.

Black privilege is praised for experimenting with new genres of music, but claiming white people are "taking your culture" if they enter hip hop.

Black privilege is never having people assume you got handed everything in life due to your race if you are successful.

Black privilege is having outrage from all races when a crime is committed upon a person of your skin colour.

Black privilege is glorifying people like Malcom X or Muhammad Ali who were known racists.

Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.




Now, do I care about any of this? Absolutely not. This is just a consequence of evolution. Things developed this way. But tell me, can you refute any of that as true...and even more so...how fucking annoyed were you reading it? You feel like I'm saying "You black folks have it all" don't you? Fucking annoying to feel like someone would quickly refute any success or progression you ever have as nothing more than to do with your race eh? Well...welcome to the world of being told you're privileged.

Really, different people in different places face different shit. People just mistake everything for the class structure. Who gets pulled over first, black man in a tuxedo walking down Hollywood, or white kid in Fubu walking down the NY projects? No doubt, because of past racism there is a gulf in earnings between white and black people overall. The "ghettos" are still majorly filled with black people. I'm split on this. On one side, it's rough because you're being born into a horrible situation as a result of racism which was committed decades ago. On the other side...it's on you. You're an individual. You don't have to go out, sell drugs and get involved in gangs just because you were raised in a rough area. It's hard to be able to unlock that intelligence when your schools are terrible and your family are on drugs, but at the end of the day by the time you're a grown man...it's up to you to get yourself out of that situation. PLENTY of black people took their bad situation, worked hard and have went on to have success in every field. Doctors, teachers, lawyers, musicians, artists, architects, athletes etc. You can't use your race as a defence when the black man next to you didn't let it hold him back you know? (Not speaking to you personally, just a figurative black man born in a low income area).

It's the same everywhere. You get born poor, you face more challenges. In some areas in America, the poor areas are majorly filled with "minorities". This is true. But that doesn't mean right now anyone's holding those people down and oppressing them. As it is for white people and people of all colours, if you want to make shit happen that's on you.

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Horrible logic. Essentially, you have just completely okayed police officers to slay innocent black people because the police officers were made a marginalised, targeted sub sect of the populous who should now be able to act out against those who target them.

Those cops were people with a job. You wanted to be a pro wrestler right? Well a lot of pro wrestlers have been involved in rape in the past. This makes you a rapist now.

Sure, there's some horrible fucker cops out there. Plenty of racist ones to boot. So does this make it okay to murder random ones at will because they chose a specific occupation?

1.) Rationalization is not justification. The reason for the occurrence is not an endorsement of those actions, nor is being unsurprised by its happening.

2.) Nope. I wanted to be a booker.

Originally Posted by Rant

1.) Rationalization is not justification. The reason for the occurrence is not an endorsement of those actions, nor is being unsurprised by its happening.

2.) Nope. I wanted to be a booker.

1. You are numbering replies to a large unnumbered post.

2. It's impossible to know what the fuck you're on about.

[Esso]

You know what White Privliege is? Never having to ask if White Lives Matter.

Why would the privileged black kid be from Bel Air? You sound like a stereotype white joke....no offense. Dude, thats just the way things are here. Civil rights were only awarded 50 years ago...the Klan was millions strong, walking the streets with govt officials and cops among them, openly endorsing violence against blacks. Slavery. It takes a long time to undo all that....you can't teach generations to unlearn all of the hatred and prejudice, the injustice and the oppression, unless the people doing the teaching and parenting are all completely unbiased in their approach. People getting completely out of their feelings about such subjects is impossible...so it will never fully be gone. America has a unique history in that regard.

Originally Posted by Esso

You know what White Privliege is? Never having to ask if White Lives Matter.

Why would the privileged black kid be from Bel Air? You sound like a stereotype white joke....no offense. Dude, thats just the way things are here. Civil rights were only awarded 50 years ago...the Klan was millions strong, walking the streets with govt officials and cops among them, openly endorsing violence against blacks. Slavery. It takes a long time to undo all that....you can't teach generations to unlearn all of the hatred and prejudice, the injustice and the oppression, unless the people doing the teaching and parenting are all completely unbiased in their approach. People getting completely out of their feelings about such subjects is impossible...so it will never fully be gone. America has a unique history in that regard.

It's asked constantly of the Black Lives Matter movement if White Lives Matter. They reply "It's not about that". No one cares when a white kid, unarmed, gets shot by the police. Police officer can be black, white, asian, whatever. No one cares that a white kid got shot. That's hardly controversial newsworthy shit is it?

When a black kid dies, there's a protest. When a white kid dies (which happens at a higher rate)...not one person takes to the streets.

So...DO white lives matter?

Why wouldn't a privileged black kid be from Bel Air? I was giving an example of someone from an area considered "rich" Vs someone from an area considered "poor". The "rich" kid doesn't face the struggles and stereotyping that the "poor" kid does...regardless if the black kid is rich and the white kid is poor.

Endosred by government officials, walking the streets with cops, openly endosring violence against another race.....Eh...Esso mate...have a quick search for "Black Lives Matter" and "Dallas" and tell me what you come up with. I'm pretty sure what you'll come up with is the President of America endorsed group of individuals who take over the streets under police supervision and according to Twitter, consider the racially motivated murder of 5 innocent men to be the act of a hero and martyr. Obama went to the memorial service of the police officers and discussed racism in the police force...what's that got to do with 5 dead men who have no known connections to racism what so ever?

Slavery, smfh. Yeah cause black people are the only slaves that ever existed. It takes a long time to undo? Well I, nor anyone in my family no matter how far back, ever owned slaves (Considering my family tree comes from Ireland). Yet I'm somehow dragged into being part of a "race" (ie. some people with the same skin colour from an entirely different background and culture) that was involved in the oppression of others. You are not effected by slavery right now, I'm not effected by slavery right now. It's been a long fucking time mate and if you think your limited in your opportunities in life because your great great grandfather was mistreated...you need to look in the mirror a bit pal.

"That history will never be gone". So, what you're saying is....I'm allowed to claim that there's "English privilege" and seek reparations for the atrocities the English committed upon my ancestors? Basically, as far back as my family tree goes, there's gonna be plenty of cases of horrible acts committed by Englishmen onto either Scotsmen or Irishmen. You say it's impossible for someone's feelings towards this to be gone...but 55% of Scotland recently disagreed.

America doesn't have a unique history. Slavery happened everywhere. There are plenty of examples of black slave masters throughout history too. But you can't talk about that. No slavery amounts to the days of the KKK and cotton picking, right?

Slavery was a long time ago. Why is it a black man is allowed to feel this contempt and hatred towards that former oppression, but we'd all laugh if a woman said she felt contempt and hatred towards men as a result of the lack of woman's rights 50 years ago? It's just not relevant anymore but economically and socially...we've come a long ass way from those days to even have them be a factor in 2016.

[Esso]

Right....and its the first time anyone's ever asked if White Lives Matter. Its not out of concern or doubt that the country as a whole cares about White Lives, its out of insecurity because theyre not included when people ask if Black Lives Matter.

The fact you make comparisons to the Fresh Prince's situation shows how familiar you are with how things go here.....you see it in sitcoms and in rap videos and on the news. You're saying 'we've come a long way'. Is you is or is you not from Scotland? Fuck is this we shit if you dont even live here? Women have had equal rights for twice as long as black people in America and nobody was lynching women just for being female. And yes, other races and groups have been slaves.....but this is an American issue and over here, black people were the only ethnic group enslaved widespread. You're comparing apples to orange soda....You are not in touch with the reality of the situation you comment on.

Originally Posted by Esso

Right....and its the first time anyone's ever asked if White Lives Matter. Its not out of concern or doubt that the country as a whole cares about White Lives, its out of insecurity because theyre not included when people ask if Black Lives Matter.

The fact you make comparisons to the Fresh Prince's situation shows how familiar you are with how things go here.....you see it in sitcoms and in rap videos and on the news. You're saying 'we've come a long way'. Is you is or is you not from Scotland? Fuck is this we shit if you dont even live here? Women have had equal rights for twice as long as black people in America and nobody was lynching women just for being female. And yes, other races and groups have been slaves.....but this is an American issue and over here, black people were the only ethnic group enslaved widespread. You're comparing apples to orange soda....You are not in touch with the reality of the situation you comment on.

It doesn't matter if black people feel like their lives matter more or not. Just like it doesn't matter if women feel like they earn as much as men. Facts are facts and don't take people's self-victimizing feelings into account.

If the media only reports that a black person has been killed by a white person of authority and never visa versa, then asking if white lives matter is a very legitimate question. Why aren't white people fought for and represented when they are victims of the exact same crimes (in higher numbers)?

I didn't make a comparison of Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I stopped and said "What's a rich place in America?". I just happened to pick Bel Air. Change the name to Beverly Hills or Stanford if you want. Doesn't change my point.

We as in the human race. Your mentality is why segregation exists. You live by a "we". "We black people". "We Americans". People are people. You have probably made a passing comment about Kim Jong Il or something in your time, but feel like someone who isn't American has no right to discuss America. Ironic in the wake of Brexit as well.

I love your "My social justice is better than their social justice". Women have every right to comment on your male privilege if you're going to talk bullshit about white privilege. Check your privilege fam.

Widespread racism is the only form of racism huh? So if you're ancestors weren't slaves in America...you don't know "da pain"? So someone today who lives every day in their life being horrendously victimised as a middle eastern man doesn't know the pain that a black man who may never have seen racism in real life a day in his life...because of "da slaves"?

Slavery is done. It's been done for a very long time. You, nor anyone you've ever met, was a slave or slave owner. It's gone. Abolished. Disappeared. You can't keep clinging to bullshit that happened in the past...and if you ARE going to do that...maybe realize that black people don't have shit of a claim in American historical race related pain in comparison to Native Americans. But Native Americans aren't controversial...so who cares about them right. #BlackLivesMatter #AllLivesMatterIsRacist #SocialJustice #BlackHeroInDallas