Mike Brown case.

Originally Posted by Mindless

Typical European response. I really don't want to talk American politics and views on rights with you because, as a U.K. citizen, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not saying your stupid or dumb or anything like that. You're just ignorant. You don't understand. Things don't work the same here as they do in the land of permits to buy silverware. They used to. You guys used to have the same gun rights we did. Somewhere along the way though, you guys got lost. You started trading your rights as human beings to the state in exchange for "safety" and now look where you are. You can't even get a pellet gun with more than 12ftlbs on it. And what has it done to violent crime? Nothing. People are still hurting and killing each other. It wasn't even worth it. I'm not saying you aren't allowed your opinion. You are. Just know that it holds as much water as a sieve because you don't really understand the things you're talking about.

Wait wait wait.

We traded our right.....to have guns?

Fuck. Next we'll be trading away our rights to rape people and sell drugs.

Look where we're at? We're NOT getting school shootings. We're NOT getting people gunned down in the street for controversial reasons.

It's not human right to own a gun. That's fucking stupid.

The reason we aren't allowed certain pellet guns is because people get fucking hurt with them. Letum was telling me he has a pellet stuck in his eye from when he was a kid. I've got a nasty scar in my hand from shooting mine into myself. What good does a pellet gun do? It's ALL bad.

The right to own a gun is fucking idiotic. It's like arguing that you have the right to own people. "Oh, you traded away your right to own people, your basic right as a human being".

Allow people to have guns results in people using their guns.

[Mindless]

This is what I'm talking about. You don't get it. The right to bare arms IS a human right. The other things are not. You're creating a false equivalency between owning a gun and rape and slavery because you've been conditioned your entire life to believe those things are equal. They aren't even close. Human freedom and rights would deny you to own or rape another person because you're denying them their rights. Human beings have the right to protect themselves from other humans and the state with guns as long as that use of force is equal to or less than the level of force they are threatened with. Meaning that their lives and or liberty must be in immediate and imminent jeopardy.

Where was the worst school shooting of all time? Where was the worst mass shooting of all time with the most killed? I'll give you a hint. Neither was in America.

Originally Posted by Mindless

This is what I'm talking about. You don't get it. The right to bare arms IS a human right. The other things are not. You're creating a false equivalency between owning a gun and rape and slavery because you've been conditioned your entire life to believe those things are equal. They aren't even close. Human freedom and rights would deny you to own or rape another person because you're denying them their rights. Human beings have the right to protect themselves from other humans and the state with guns as long as that use of force is equal to or less than the level of force they are threatened with. Meaning that their lives and or liberty must be in immediate and imminent jeopardy.

Where was the worst school shooting of all time? Where was the worst mass shooting of all time with the most killed? I'll give you a hint. Neither was in America.

But it's not a human right. It's ONLY a human right in the stupid American constitution. No one else is saying "Yeah, let's all have tools designed ONLY for murder".

So you believe having heroin is a human right? You're not denying anyone else their human rights by having heroin. You're conditioned to believe we all SHOULD have guns, which is ridiculous because as previously mentioned, take guns out of EVERY situation we're talking about and it doesn't end in someone getting killed. Most likely with someone getting battered or pepper sprayed or something.

Putting guns in the hands of fucking nutjobs results in the nutjobs using their guns.

Putting guns in the hands of power abusing authority figures results in the powerr abusing authority figures using their guns.

Putting guns in the hands of children (who aren't even legal to buy alcohol yet in America) results in children using their guns.

You can't say "it's fine cause lots of other people are safe with guns". That's like saying "We shouldn't check more known religious extremists at the airport because more have not hiijacked a plane than have".