MM on your tongue?

No rebuttle to what I said though?

[Dono]

Does it matter? Really? You'll just keep arguing with me until you feel sufficiently right, and then saunter off in a nice little aura of gratification.

I help regularly help Fidel tweak bars and concepts so that he can improve. I feel it's a genuine endeavor and he's looking to get better. So why would I get up his ass about a similar concept? You really think his drive to win a battle is greater than his desire to improve? You really think he went through and stole ONE fucking concept to help his chances to win? Like we haven't all wrote a similar concept before.

I don't doubt you have good intentions but you build up these caricatures and evil power structures to fight and fight and fight against and I don't feel like they accomplish your true goals very well, but some odd reaffirmation of your own creations. I've never seen you air our your own squad or actions, especially as hard as you attack everything else. You undermine everything around you to keep up these beliefs.

I used to really respect a lot of the things you were doing years ago when we first met. Now it's just getting on my nerves.

Fidel will tell you that even now I give him loads with feed on bars etc., and have done since before MM knew who he was.

Grizz' desire to win was so strong that he self voted. People do this stupid shit all the time. So because you know Fidel personally...we shouldn't take legitimate accusations into account?

You know why I don't air out my crew actions? Cause we aren't cheaters. It took Phenomonon less than 1 week to join and leave MM because he seen that Grizz was deliberately losing battles to MM members on a multi acc, and allegedly got Mind Fuck to help him write for a battle. There is nothing to air out in ACs. If anyone breaks the rules on the site, they won't stay around for long.

It gets on your nerves because you're now on the other side of it. Back, before you were asking people to vote on your topicals on other sites, you were just a normal guy that defo wouldn't hop in threads to defend his mates if there is accusations against them. You're the one that's changed out of the two of us here.

And yet again, stop acting like I've said ONE thing about whether or not Fidel actually bit. I haven't passed judgement once. I'm saying that dismissing the legitimate accusation because he is a friend or crew member is a joke.

[Babylon]

posting to go to my FVC links in my sig because I'm lazy.

[Denton]

Niggas always crying about something

[OSKAR]

Might ban EtH for talkin back

[Dono]

Originally Posted by Dave

Back, before you were asking people to vote on your topicals on other sites, you were just a normal guy that defo wouldn't hop in threads to defend his mates if there is accusations against them. You're the one that's changed out of the two of us here.

This is the only thing I'm going to address and then this conversation is over. This is exactly what I'm talking about where you twist things into whatever pre-set ideas you have.

You must have conveniently forgot that Chris EXPLICITY said all votes stand. I asked if that meant we should solicit votes from other places and he encouraged it. I assumed others would be doing the same thing, lots of contests are based at least partially on pulling in 'votes' from other venues. It was NOT a normal run of the mill here's a topical battle. That was made extremely clear by the host himself.

I didn't break any rules there, I didn't do anything shady. Yet you're trying to peg that on me like it was some kind of character altering scandal. Was it 'unfair'? Maybe. Life is unfair though. I used an advantage within the parameters of the competition, why would that make you question my character?

Nothing about any of this battle shit is objective. At all. You want me to be honest? The times I get the most votes and win the most shit is when I'm most active on the site helping others elevate and being involved. You think that's a coincidence? It's how things operate. You make connections with people and things fall into place differently. If more people like me than like you, then I win. Everywhere, at everything.

The site dumped on you personally because you got in a squabble with the owner and made multiple attacks on him. The internet isn't different than anywhere else. You can't go "Ey FUCK this coffee shop, they don't make coffee the way I want them to and the staff always gives orders to regulars faster than they do to me. The owner is a prick" and then expect to have things stay the same when you go in to buy coffee from that place because there's some kind of arbitrary justice in your mind. Then you're the guy yelling at some other guy because he didn't pay for his coffee, regardless of any relevant factors. Then when the place goes, ahhh well it's not a big deal, you freak the fuck out because last time you didn't pay for coffee they tagged you for theft.

The controversial status you're so proud of having is just a body of negative energy you bring with you everywhere you go because you have to be right all the time. It's like the interview you did with MUGGZ (IIRC), basically just calling him a shitty person and a waste of LB resources. The questions were skewed from the start to prove whatever point you had already decided was 'right'. You're like a self-righteous police officer that gives out j-walking tickets at empty streets because it's illegal, even though it really has very little impact on anyone.

You didn't see me raise a giant ruckus when Dirty Work won the LBTT against me by a majority of own crew votes. That could have been a scandal. I could have flared up in the forums and talked about how turnbulls cheated to get the title within your own crew and blah blah blah. But I didn't. Because it wasn't worth it. Instead, I talked to whoever was heading things up at the time and told them, you know what even if it isn't happening, it's probably better in the future if we just eliminate all crew votes. Just to keep potential bias out of it. And.....they stopped coming in later for other battles in the same time period. Problem solved. No bitching, no crying about cheating. Sure I was unhappy I lost, I'm always unhappy when I lose, but I didn't throw a forum fit and try to get DW and the voters in trouble. Waste of time.

I'm also a leader in this squad, where I wasn't in others. I'm not going to sit idly by while you shit on reputations. An accusation was made, RULE made a pretty clear argument how shit happens regularly, and you still pushed for the bite. Don't say you weren't making that accusation, because you bitched about it up and down that entire thread.

I'm not even having fun now, way to go asshole.

TL;DR

[J u s T C]

All Dono's doing is biting what I've been saying about Eth's jumped up character for years, but I still love him. Eth that is, Dono can go fuck himself.

Just so everyone's clear, what Dono is referring to is when he asked people to vote on his topical tournament battle on TextStars. He is saying that because the rules didn't say he wasn't allowed to ask people to vote for him, then it's completely fair.....MURDA!

I love how much you bring up that topical final and then say you don't even care. Everyone on IMs were hitting me up about it. Just for the sheer fun of defeating you in this argument, lets go into that facts. Firstly, I asked you, name by name, if it was alright for certain guys to vote. You, name by name, said yes. Your problem only arose when they voted against you.

But let's forget that for a moment. You bring up the Dirty Work battle, all the time, but what about the InCizion battle? The one where you won your title?

Dono Vs InCizion
Me (ACs), Punk (Chloroformers) and DJ Denton (Chloroformers) voted for you over InCizion (Chloroformers).

Dono Vs Dirty Work
Phoenix (Chloroformers), Crysis (Chloroformers) and DJ Denton (Murda Muzik) voted for you over Dirty Work (ACs).

Me (ACs), Anarchist (ACs) and Enfinite (ACs) voted for Dirty work over you.

By maths, the same amount of my crew members voted for you as against you. Furthermore, the same crew you condemn for voting against you, voted for you to win the title over their fellow crew member.

Winner is me.