Should we get rid of the 1-10 scale?

[UhMAZING]

I kind of agree on getting rid of it, but at the same time don't. A simple button on battles to choose who wins would be cool, but on the other hand a number range you can rate each emcee on is still relevant. More than just a simple.."This person won because they had better bars"...how much better was the bars? Using Numerology let's both battlers know the level that their Voters think that they're on. I.E. if a battle is being voted on and there's mostly consitant low votes for one emcee, then they know they need to step it up a lil bit. Not to mention the problem with People low voting, or not even reading or listening to battles and just giving a low and random vote just to get credits. If we take away the Number system it doesn't really prevent this, A person can still just go without listening or reading and vote for their "favorite" or whoever they decide to hastly vote for just for Credits. I always leave an expo on who I voted for and why, to be fair. I don't see a problem with the rating system the way it is, the Value of the number represents the quality of the verse as long with whatever expo a person decides to leave of why they came up with that number.

If someone votes like this..
Emcee #1 Emcee #2
(6) (8)
(5) (9)
(7) (7)
(6) (9)
(7) (8)

That's saying Emcee #1 came with a slightly less par verse
and that Emcee #2 had the better verse, with mostly consistant High #'s
You can get an average rate of Each Emcee by using the "Mean" of the numbers
as well as the consistency of the "Mode" which would be the # that appears the Most Often.

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Plus, Just curious...but wouldn't you have to change the requirements for "Awards" too with this theory?... I've seen a majority of Award requirements are based off the Number Voting System.. I.E. "Rated 8+" "Rated 9+" "Rated 10" etc. Those being Mostly for Cyphers and Text Battles..but also includes Traccs.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by UhMAZING

I kind of agree on getting rid of it, but at the same time don't. A simple button on battles to choose who wins would be cool, but on the other hand a number range you can rate each emcee on is still relevant. More than just a simple.."This person won because they had better bars"...how much better was the bars? .

You use your explanation on why and how someone won/was better, bar or whole verse. it forces people to speak their minds rather than hide behind a make believe rating system.

Nobody takes anything away from a number used in an inconsistent system since everyone judges differently, they take something away from the hows and whys.

This is of course only 1 reason for the change.

[Student]

While I Agree With You Just, I Can See People Abusing It And Just Clicking Who Won Then Typing "FV VB" or "One Was Better Then The Other" "One Slightly Edged It. THE RULERS VOTE" "i lik da one verse ova da oda 1 MURDA" "*Copies & Pastes Lines From Only One Verse But Doesn't Say Anything About Them", etc.
What's To Stop Them From Doing That Besides Maybe Having A Moderator Look At The Battle?

[J u s T C]

This is why gaming and movie critics are moving/moved away from 1-10 rating scales ages ago. They mean nothing. All that matters is was it good? why was it good? why wasn't it good? what nees to be improved?

a 1-10 scales doesn't shed any light on these critical factors. It offers nothing constructive. no food for thought. especially when more people are rating the same piece using a 1 TO 10 because the ratings end up all over the place.

I can't judge if I'm doing something right when so many people of varying levels of knowledge are using a broad 1 to 10 scale. But if they explain the why's and hows I have something to take back to the drawing board to help improve in the future as well as the insight to judge whether or not they know what they're talking about/took the time to read.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Student

While I Agree With You Just, I Can See People Abusing It And Just Clicking Who Won Then Typing "FV VB" or "One Was Better Then The Other" "One Slightly Edged It. THE RULERS VOTE" "i lik da one verse ova da oda 1 MURDA" "*Copies & Pastes Lines From Only One Verse But Doesn't Say Anything About Them", etc.
What's To Stop Them From Doing That Besides Maybe Having A Moderator Look At The Battle?

That has nothing to do with the system thats a people problem. people do that now only their manipulating a 1 to 10 scale to disguise hate as a legit vote or to piss people off by giving them a 1.

[Obey]

Why don't we actually use the star system that's below the battles? Like the 1-5 rating, but with stars so it's not numbers. The more stars acquired you get into the hot-listings. So people can still vote, but can choose how many stars they think the battle is? @Just C

I'd agree to a 1-5 scale.

There would be less complaining about ratings.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Obey

Why don't we actually use the star system that's below the battles? Like the 1-5 rating, but with stars so it's not numbers. The more stars acquired you get into the hot-listings. So people can still vote, but can choose how many stars they think the battle is? @Just C

Because a 1 is still a 1. whether it's a number or a star, it's a low vote and people are being judged by a number leading to emotional outburst/accusations of hate. If you just vote for the winner you can't complain. at least no where near as much.

you vote to determine a winner. the number scale is an un needed extra which can either cause un just ego or un fair deflation. If you want to tell someone how they did do it with words, not numbers.

People complain about getting a 6/10, thinking that means their verse is horrible, but a score of 6 actaully represents a decent score.

3/5 is the same as 6/10, but I feel people wouldn't complain as much becuase they would actually see 3/5 as decent.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by JimmyDean

People complain about getting a 6/10, thinking that means their verse is horrible, but a score of 6 actaully represents a decent score.

3/5 is the same as 6/10, but I feel people wouldn't complain as much becuase they would actually see 3/5 as decent.

Exactly. People focus on the number rather than the reasoning behind it. If you take that number out then people HAVE to go to the reasoning behind not getting the vote. this opens the door to feedback, plus it gives people a reason to leave feedback rather than feeling like it would be a waste of time because chances are the guys going to see the num,ber and the number only because he feels some sort of way before hearing you out and now he aint tryna hear you out, any feedback he sees is clouded by emotion.

Your right, 3/5 does look better. But it's a band aid approach rather than grabbing the problem by the scruff of the kneck and fixing it. Though the 1-5 scale is better than 1-10. it's still a dated flawed system which takes the attention away from the hows and whys which are most important. The number scale is the problem. not the size of it.


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The site is (according to pugz) getting an update next month. I just figured now is as good a time as ever to see what changes we can make to better the experiance.

I feel since the simple vote for winner system (in my opinion) is the way to go and a way to better help people give as well as take on board actual feedback because theirs not this nagging number getting in the way.

Another change to compliment it would be an overhaul of the comment system (Again just ideas)

This is another thing which is dated and in no way feedback friendly, it's clunky, it's ugly, it's hard to read, it's hard to write for when trying to get your point across.

You add (finally) a character minimum. And you add forum post features to the battle comment section so you can bold, quote and highlight key parts and points as well as.....please god.. have the ability to use your space and enter keys so we're not stuck having to read a brick wall of text or put endless .......................'s just to space shit out and make it readable.


To work it would all have to come in 1 package update.