Should X-Calibur be banned?

Originally Posted by OSKAR

Rant ain't on the wrong but X-Cal might have thought that since mods are allowed to be pm'd they can also pm. I ain't excusing his actions, I'm just saying that he might have misunderstood the rules I ain't disregarding that.

the way i see it is that xcal WANTS the site to improve..he contributes ideas, he tries to improve voting with his tourney but recent incidents have shown that he lacks the behavior of a mod. It'd be stupid to lose someone with a vision like that BUT it also looks bad to let him go freely cause I do agree. Rules are rules and should be applied to anyone no matter what color name they have or what their name actually is

I can understand your view point in the top portion. But, one would presume that he would know this information, if by nothing else alone, the lack of mods doing so.

Another note, which I have mentioned already, is still the history of these types of offenses by him. These two things, coupled with the length of time he has been a member of this site, lead me to believe that he should very well have known better.

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Originally Posted by OSKAR

So seing a guy get banned in expense to the development of the site pleases you more? I'm with Just C on that one.but if we decide to ban the dude I'd be with that to

It doesn't please me at all to see him banned. But, I am DISPLEASED by an individual member of the site receiving special treatment for offenses, that in the past, have resulted in immediate bans.

[OSKAR]

You see? We can't be 100% clear on the situation. Some people want him banned some others don't. It's a difficult situation so imo we should all accept the WARNING given as the best possible action. I assure you that X-Cal will be monitored heavily from now on and the slighest fuck up will cause him his position

[OSKAR]

It's not special treatment because he is a mod, it's because he is a mod that we are unsure of the situation. As I said he might have thought he is allowed to pm since he is allowed to be pm'd. Please see a warning as the best solution to this problem and let's move on from this

[J u s T C]

Lock had numerous accounts for self voting (just as grizz did, to a lesser extent). Then he got banned for the same shit we discussing here.

Thats a lot worse than recycling 1 bar in 7 years and asking someone to vote on a battle in IMs. albeit twice, including now.

It was incredibly naive but it's all about perspective.

Grizz and Lock premeditated what they did making it 100% shady. So even if its minor. You're shady in my book when caught again, so any benefit of the doubt goes out the window. Ban.

You know as well as myself that he wont do it again, or atleast if he DOES. he will be demodded and banned.

He contributes and wants to continue doing so. He deserves 1 chance now that he is a mod to buck up his ideas. But only 1. In the long run the site will benefit more from him being here as a mod than if he's banned. IF he heeds the warning and sorts his shit out. If we just ban him we'll never know.

Originally Posted by Just C

Lock had numerous accounts for self voting (just as grizz did, to a lesser extent). Then he got banned for the same shit we discussing here.

Thats a lot worse than recycling 1 bar in 7 years and asking someone to vote on a battle in IMs. albeit twice, including now.

It was incredibly naive but it's all about perspective.

Grizz and Lock premeditated what they did making it 100% shady. So even if its minor. You're shady in my book when caught again, so any benefit of the doubt goes out the window. Ban.

You know as well as myself that he wont do it again, or atleast if he DOES. he will be demodded and banned.

He contributes and wants to continue doing so. He deserves 1 chance now that he is a mod to buck up his ideas. But only 1. In the long run the site will benefit more from him being here as a mod than if he's banned. IF he heeds the warning and sorts his shit out. If we just ban him we'll never know.

I was not aware of Lock's self voting.

Edit:

I do not, however, have any knowledge of whether he will do so again. He has already shown it to be a habitual trait. I feel very strongly that he likely will do so again.

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Originally Posted by OSKAR

It's not special treatment because he is a mod, it's because he is a mod that we are unsure of the situation. As I said he might have thought he is allowed to pm since he is allowed to be pm'd. Please see a warning as the best solution to this problem and let's move on from this

In what way are the circumstances of the situation relevant? "Ignorance of the law, is no excuse for breaking it."

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Rant

I do not, however, have any knowledge of whether he will do so again. He has already shown it to be a habitual trait. I feel very strongly that he likely will do so again.[COLOR="Silver"]

I also said or.

Tell me you think he will get away with it again. You're a smart guy. You know full well that shit wont fly a second time

Originally Posted by Just C

I also said or.

Tell me you think he will get away with it again. You're a smart guy. You know full well that shit wont fly a second time

It depends on who he IM's.

[J u s T C]

Thats a fair point. tbh though, with the way people jump at the first chance of exposing people on here (Nothing wrong with that it's required to keep the site clean and fair) I think chances of him being put on blast are high enough. People will be ITCHING to catch him out now. especially when he's a mod.

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Also just because someone doesn't expose him, doesn't mean he can't be caught doing it again. and XCal knows this.

[Babylon]

Honestly either way if he gets banned or not he'll be known for this alone for a while.


Pretty good punishment if you ask me, but he still fucking cheated. He should be delt with just as any other repeat offending person who asks for votes should, in my opinion.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Just C

You got guy who does nothing but be a dick and constantly breaks the rules. He's no benefit to keep around and you KNOW he was being shady.

Then you got guy B who is a mod who is contributing and trying to improve the site and help out and made a stupid mistake (Do you think what he did was with malicious intent?)

I get what you're saying. But not everything is black and white

I agree. But I'd be very surprised if he did it again. Plus this will give him an extra kick up the ass to get into gear.

I'm sure if he does it again. He will be done. You only get 1 chance at shit. He wont get the benefit of the doubt again.

I couldnt agree more with this.
Im not a staff member anymore so no one can say Im just playing for the home team anymore. but 99% of the time when a rule is broken on here there is more to consider than just the breaking of the rule. keep in mind i consider X-Cal to be a total square and ive hated him from pretty much the first second i e-encountered him so i have no reason at all to defend him .. but if the guy is working hard to promote activity and genuinely has an interest in keeping the site bumping then to ban/de-mod him for this is an overreaction.
theres absolutely no doubt that what he did was stupid and wrong ... but i really find it hard to imagine that a mod of all people would send an IM for someone to check out his battle without for some reason thinking it was acceptable cus you would get exposed immediately for it ... im not sure what got into this guys head thinking it was okay but i feel like he must have or he wouldnt have done something so blatantly retarded .. then again .. i tend to give people more credit than they deserve cus lots of people are just retards but anyway
i dunnno though .. if hes workin hard and doing good for the site than a warning seems fine .. at this point if he does anything even remotely wrong at this point hes gone .. and thats all that matters really