Science/Religion Debate (BE RESPECTFUL)

For everyone challenging the "though process" of God, it's easily defeated by 'God works in mysterious ways". Just try and comprehend that this is an all mighty being that's power spans beyond even comprehension. You think a bit of simple logic is enough to trump the greatest power ever known?

Creationism is wrong. I'll go that war. I used to watch a lot of Kent Hovind and Venom Fang X, and creationism is incorrect full stop. But as for religion, I personally find it hard to dedicate my life to a book and some faulty accounts, but I'm not going to tell someone God ISN'T real. You can't really make "good" or "bad" points in regards to God, because our primitive logic simply won't suffice.

[Dono]

Christian god supposedly has three attributes.

God is all knowing.
God is all powerful.
God is all good.

If that's the case there should be no evil or pain in the world. Oh but you need pain to know pleasure you say? Why? I can concieve of a state of existence where you could feel pleasure and not need to know pain. If god is all knowing, he knows that. If he is all powerful he should be able to change the paramaters of our reality. If he is all good he must know that is preferential to being in pain.

So God must be lacking at least one of these attributes.......that means I'm not listening to any of the other shit in the Bible or anywhere else from these sources.

If god exists it is not in any form espouted by religion, at least Christianity. Just pure logic, don't really need examples. If someone can refute this let me know.

Originally Posted by Dono

Christian god supposedly has three attributes.

God is all knowing.
God is all powerful.
God is all good.

If that's the case there should be no evil or pain in the world. Oh but you need pain to know pleasure you say? Why? I can concieve of a state of existence where you could feel pleasure and not need to know pain. If god is all knowing, he knows that. If he is all powerful he should be able to change the paramaters of our reality. If he is all good he must know that is preferential to being in pain.

So God must be lacking at least one of these attributes.......that means I'm not listening to any of the other shit in the Bible or anywhere else from these sources.

If god exists it is not in any form espouted by religion, at least Christianity. Just pure logic, don't really need examples. If someone can refute this let me know.

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

Originally Posted by EtH

You can't really make "good" or "bad" points in regards to God, because our primitive logic simply won't suffice.

Seriously? My primitive logic allows me to see through the bible pretty easily. You don't need to be Einstein to pick faults in stories like Noah's Ark & Adam + Eve.

You are taking them as literally. Jesus was infamous for telling parables. Perhaps adam and eve, noah's arc etc. are just parables which demonstrate the will of God.

[Dono]

Originally Posted by EtH

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

I won't accept that. If god is all good he wouldn't make us suffer. He could just as easily just put us in heaven. Why not? Why only let some of your beings in? All good I would imagine means you want everyone to feel the utmost fulfillment possible, not burn in hell lmao. You can't be 'all good' and create evil.

Also, considering god made all things, we don't have any free will. He's all powerful and controls every aspect. I compare it to running a computer program. If you build a program (and had infinite knowledge) you would know exactly how whatever program you built would run. Some people are just gonna go to hell because they were made that way.

Originally Posted by EtH

You are taking them as literally. Jesus was infamous for telling parables. Perhaps adam and eve, noah's arc etc. are just parables which demonstrate the will of God.

Let's say your God, you want to tell the world about the history of the universe and the morales they should live their lives by. Do you lay out the facts or tell a bunch of parables which can be (and are) easily misinterpreted? I thought he was omniscient? Why didn't he see that flaw coming?

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by EtH

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

"I'm going to test you even though I already know every choice you could make and every possible outcome from said choices, rendering the entire testing phase a waste of time"

Originally Posted by Dono

I won't accept that. If god is all good he wouldn't make us suffer. He could just as easily just put us in heaven. Why not? Why only let some of your beings in? All good I would imagine means you want everyone to feel the utmost fulfillment possible, not burn in hell lmao. You can't be 'all good' and create evil.

Also, considering god made all things, we don't have any free will. He's all powerful and controls every aspect. I compare it to running a computer program. If you build a program (and had infinite knowledge) you would know exactly how whatever program you built would run. Some people are just gonna go to hell because they were made that way.

You can't do this conversation based off the perception you have from non scripture. God isn't all loving and peaceful. Vengeance, wrath and pain are a big part of the bible.

Again, who's to say God doesn't want to test us? My sensei is a good guy, but he doesn't just hand me a black belt. You're trying to use logic knowing NOTHING about what you're being logical about. If God is real, how do you know ANYTHING about him/her/it? The bible doesn't give many characteristics except love really, and that could be the same love as dropping your kid in the deep end of the pool.

The Bible clearly explains how God didnt want the Earth to be a perfect, paridse land with no suffering.