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Originally Posted by Dean

What? It absolutely can be a racial thing. Obviously, privilege isn't just limited to race but the color of your skin definitely can grant you advantages.

Agreed. It can give you advantages. Like the examples I gave where a black person could gain an advantage. People gain different advantages from each other. White people don't gain blanket advantages over black people, and visa versa. People have their own individual privileges based on a large number of things.

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your looking at most television shows, historical figures, newspapers, video games, greeting cards, exd. Majority of the time you can expect to find white people.

Disagreed. I've only ever had an extremely positive media reaction to black people and have only ever seen them do amazing and successful things

Originally Posted by Dean

-When your in history class learning about civilization, you're going to learn that people of your race basically made it what it is.

I never once learned about Scottish civilisation. I learned about the romans mainly in "civilisation". I'm white, the romans are white. Cool. Do you think I have ANY cultural connection to a Roman? A lot of people assume white people care about other white people. I have absolutely NO connection to a Russian person based on skin colour. We're from completely different parts of the world and have ZERO similarities culturally. Us being white has NO similarities at all. I've never been taught that my culture has ever really done anything successful. I don't see a depiction of Jesus and think "White men killing it out there". I don't feel like me and whatever race Jesus was or was not is anything close to whatever I am.

Originally Posted by dean

^These might not seem like much, but they can play a huge effect in shaping a person's worldview.

I feel, and this is a generalization and you can correct me on it, that black people are often put down by their own culture. I've read some white privilege things saying "White people can walk into a building without people thinking they have a gun on them". Who the fuck thinks that? I can't imagine white people ever think a well dressed respectable looking black man "likely has a gun on him" but it's common place for black people to feel the world views them like this. Someone from the BLM movement the other day in London said "People see a group of black teenagers and cross the street". In London, people will often cross the street if they see a group of teenagers of any creed or culture, but it appears to me that many people feel that the black race specifically are treated like this BECAUSE of their race, which simply isn't the overall case.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[I

Yes, everybody has their own shit. I completely agree. For example, I have a cousin that's gay. Never in my life did I have to worry about people accepting me for my sexual orientation. On the contrary, he has. That's a huge privilege I have, and it's important that I 'understand' and bring attention to those kind of advantages/privileges.[/I]

But because you are straight doesn't mean you automatically have been more privileged than your cousin. Plenty of gay people have faced very little homophobia in their lives and have been accepted by everyone they've ever been around. On the contrary, plenty of straight people may have faced some serious problems due to their sexuality. You can't say someone has a privilege over someone else based on a blanket statement like race, gender or sexuality. Privilege is a specific and case by case personal thing.


Everybody deals with different shit. We've heard all the white privilege shit yeah? Well how about we flip it...

You asked me if I could refute any of these lol. a lot of these stuff would start a completely different conversation, but I picked out some of them because they aren't exactly black privileges.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is never having to assume you got everything handed to you because of your race.

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Never? This one made me cringe lol. "Oh, you got accepted into a good college?....that's only because your black" or "Oh, your a star athlete?...Well, if I was black I'd be as good as you too." I can't tell you how many of my friends think I got academic scholarships, only because I'm black or that I get graded easier because of my race.
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Now you're getting the point. Almost all of these examples of "privilege" work both ways. I picked common examples. I don't care or believe in them specifically. Everyone faces their own shit. I can't say to a black guy who didn't get into college "Black people get into college easier so you're privileged". He didnt. He didnt get that privilege. Him being black didn't afford him that privilege, as is the case with most "white privilege".

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having an award ceremony and television station to represent your racial culture.

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lol this is like complaining about blackpeoplemeet.com or black history month. Once again, you see white people EVERYWHERE. They are represented on almost every level. I could easily find a television station(s) where majority of people represented are white.
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Black people are everywhere too. I click on the music channel, if it's not Iggy Azzealia it's a black artist. Which means nothing. Plenty of talented black people are out there right now and that's fine. But these days there's so much positive representation of black people that you can't use this example.

I do complain about shit like blackpeoplemeet.com. I once went onto blackplanet.com. A thread was "Why don't you like white people?". Most people said "Cause we have nothing in common". I mean these lads are talking about rap music, rap battling, Friday....I'm pretty sure I know more than 90% of the site on all of the topics they'd be discussing. Bunch of Soulja Boi fans saying white people don't know about rap and shit.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651Black privilege is having "white privilege" being a taught subject in universities.

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Yes, this is a very important issue that has major impacts in society. I don't understand why this wouldn't be taught. (We have discussions about the fairness of affirmative action in college too) On a side note, not all privileges are the weighted the same- the advantages you receive from being white aren't as powerful as the advantages you can receive from being right-handed, so we don't cover every type of privilege.[/I]

It's an issue because it's segregation...but it's not an issue because racism WAS a big issue, and by allowing more black people into universities it means that it gives more opportunities to people who might not have got them otherwise. Also...please...PLEASE....don't say right handed privilege again. The internet just DOESNT need that.

Originally Posted by Dean;1114651[B

I know, I have MANY privileges that other people don't, ranging from economic status to being a male. I'm not denying that at all. However, some of the advantages people receive are very significant (some being life threatening) so it's important that I understand that these advantages exist.

And white privilege shouldn't be used to say all white people have it easy/ used to say why white people are racist/ used to defend every black person that isn't successful/ used to say why all black people have harder lives bra blah blah...

No. That's besides the point. It's just important to, whether you believe it or not, understand that race is still an issue and to be able to openly discuss the effects of certain racial privileges.[/B]

I generally agree with most of the end of this. Acknowledging that you have it easier in people can be great to allow you to appreciate what you have and let you understanding other people's points of view. But look around...how often do you hear about "able bodied privilege" Vs "white privilege". People are telling white people to "check their privilege", claiming "black people can't be racist" and "black privilege doesnt exist" all the while wandering around on two legs thinking they have it hard and not acknowledging their "able bodied privilege".

People don't want to admit they are privileged. I will admit that white people can have it easier than black people when black people admit they can have it easier than white people. Race is not THE most important thing. Really, it's not. People don't care about other privileges that they are in "receipt of". If I'm told to "check my white privilege", I want someone to "check their whatever privilege". I've never heard the BLM leader discuss people with mental or physical disabilities and how they are catered for in the country. He doesn't care. The important thing to him is fighting against police (whom he automatically assumes are white regardless of their actual race) and defending any exclusively black (no other race) person that is killed for any reason by the police.

People have their own privilege. Privilege isn't defined by race, gender, sex, birth gender identity etc. It's defined by the shit each person deals with. White privilege is the belief that white people don't ever face the problems anyone else does. Male privilege is the belief that males don't ever face the problems woman have. These problems are like "You don't have to deal with random stops in the airport" (I've been stopped every single time I ever flew 'randomly') or "Men don't have to fear being raped on the way home from the pub"...even though men have been raped before.

These blanket statements are only designed to separate people further. A black guy can't call a white guy privileged, because that black guy doesn't know that white guy. No one can call anyone who's live they don't know "privileged". You have to take it on an individual scenario. Has that white person actually benefited because they are white? Has that black person actually faced negativity because they are black? The Hayes Brothers did a good video saying they've never been oppressed by anyone and feel that if anything, they are more privileged than the majority of white people they've met.