FVC Membership Contest Round 1 (Text) - Page 5 - Lets Beef

**NOBLE** · #41 07-27-2012, 04:54 PM

@Erupt I respect @Teeks opinion, that's why I asked him to be on the judge panel, and so far, he has done an outstanding job and has explained all of his choices. To satisfy you and because Teek chose to not pick a winner, I will find another mod to drop an opinion on this particular battle. I'm also going to delete all your posts regarding Teek and I ask that you please move past this.

**NOBLE** · 07-27-2012, 04:54 PM

@Erupt I respect @Teeks opinion, that's why I asked him to be on the judge panel, and so far, he has done an outstanding job and has explained all of his choices. To satisfy you and because Teek chose to not pick a winner, I will find another mod to drop an opinion on this particular battle. I'm also going to delete all your posts regarding Teek and I ask that you please move past this.

**Erupt** · #42 07-27-2012, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOBLE

@Erupt I respect @Teeks opinion, that's why I asked him to be on the judge panel, and so far, he has done an outstanding job and has explained all of his choices. To satisfy you and because Teek chose to not pick a winner, I will find another mod to drop an opinion on this particular battle. I'm also going to delete all your posts regarding Teek and I ask that you please move past this.

but why are you removing my comments about @Teek my nig? lol i understand im clogging the thread, but

his opinion was wayyy off ...... like his voting and everything he said was wrong... lol

not just wrong, completely off like almost 100 percent.

**Erupt** · 07-27-2012, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOBLE

@Erupt I respect @Teeks opinion, that's why I asked him to be on the judge panel, and so far, he has done an outstanding job and has explained all of his choices. To satisfy you and because Teek chose to not pick a winner, I will find another mod to drop an opinion on this particular battle. I'm also going to delete all your posts regarding Teek and I ask that you please move past this.

but why are you removing my comments about @Teek my nig? lol i understand im clogging the thread, but

his opinion was wayyy off ...... like his voting and everything he said was wrong... lol

not just wrong, completely off like almost 100 percent.

**NOBLE** · #43 07-27-2012, 05:02 PM

That's his opinion fam. And I removed your comments because they were coming out a bit hostile and derailing the thread. You're more than welcome to start a new thread to air out your grievances. And like I said, I will find somebody else to drop an opinion on that battle since Teek didn't want to vote, so can we please just move past this?

**NOBLE** · 07-27-2012, 05:02 PM

That's his opinion fam. And I removed your comments because they were coming out a bit hostile and derailing the thread. You're more than welcome to start a new thread to air out your grievances. And like I said, I will find somebody else to drop an opinion on that battle since Teek didn't want to vote, so can we please just move past this?

**Erupt** · #44 07-27-2012, 05:06 PM

ait , fair enough. Ima let this go, but at the end of the day, @Teek is an idiot... thats my last comment fam. sorry for derailing your thread, also just give Unyqe the auto win. Im out , no disrespect to you at all.

**Erupt** · 07-27-2012, 05:06 PM

ait , fair enough. Ima let this go, but at the end of the day, @Teek is an idiot... thats my last comment fam. sorry for derailing your thread, also just give Unyqe the auto win. Im out , no disrespect to you at all.

**Letum** · #45 07-27-2012, 05:07 PM

I know I think we both voted for the winner and gave valid points. it is what it is.

**Letum** · 07-27-2012, 05:07 PM

I know I think we both voted for the winner and gave valid points. it is what it is.

**Erupt** · #46 07-27-2012, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unyqe

I know I think we both voted for the winner and gave valid points. it is what it is.

We're just gonna let that ish slide my nig, you get the auto win tho. Case closed

**Erupt** · 07-27-2012, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unyqe

I know I think we both voted for the winner and gave valid points. it is what it is.

We're just gonna let that ish slide my nig, you get the auto win tho. Case closed

**Revan** · #47 07-27-2012, 05:10 PM

Erupt & Unque voted on:
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=442891

Unque

Things i disagreed with:

LIZ- your first bar was actually decent

Dont lie fam lol Ive read it twice and the whole verse was horrible. People cannot and will not improve if you gas them.

Keep it simple lizzy

Simple isnt the right word. Improve the wording? Yes. Simple? No. Good verses are creative, not simple.

Overall I liked both reads In think one was a little better w/concepts making his punches more damaging

You heavily critqued both verses but liked the read? Again this is a little hypocritical.

Voted: FyaWurdz: 6 / _Lizman_: 7

Not in a million years. Altho you had the right winner.

Things i agreed with

Fya- To start with DONT talk about yourself in a battle, focus on dissing your opponent every bar

Yep, unless its relevant to the punchline then its wasted bars.

When you did attempt a punch i felt it was not very creative due to weak concepts and poor structure. Mix that in with broken multies and you really have a lot of areas to improve on.

Agreed with this completely. The structure was a big part.

After the opener you went back to the same ol liz with confusing schemes multies that didnt work and attempted to do wayyyy to much with your bars.

This touches on what i said about wording, but gets to the same sort of point.

Erupt

Things i disagreed with:

Ait so heres the deal.. Its actually okay to talk about yourself in battles but pref. Longer battles.. Adds that swag factor..

I agree with the advice, but its like teaching a baby how to moonwalk. aka its a bit early for them to try that lol.

Liz.. You understand complexity.. Should prolly try other/more generic punches.

I dont think anyone should try generic punches, and i dont think he understands complexity. He understands conceptual themes, but not how to use them properly at all.

Things i agreed with:

"Fya your multis need work.. You have a good structure.. Stay away from multis like WEAK OR TOO".. They were capped for no reason n messes up the flow.. Work on addin more punches. Try not to drag out the same concepts in 8 liners n maxamize the space wit punches.."

Agreed with all of this, helpful advice.

U have a problem with multis aswell.. Also your lines take awhile to get to the punch somtimes..

Both accurate critques imo.

Fya.. On the plus side u understand punches.. Just need more creativity..

Altho vague it is advice that will help.

Voted: FyaWurdz: 3 / _Lizman_: 5

Altho still a bit high imo, i think you picked the right winner. I'd of scored it at 3-3.

Overall

Erupt has always been a good voter imo, altho he tends to word his critques a little confusingly sometimes. Unque impressed me somewhat here. He still has the bad habits most voters have nowadays (overratings, wording critques issues).

I think both deserve praise altho if this is a competition Erupt gets my vote.

1/

**Revan** · 07-27-2012, 05:10 PM

Erupt & Unque voted on:
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=442891

Unque

Things i disagreed with:

LIZ- your first bar was actually decent

Dont lie fam lol Ive read it twice and the whole verse was horrible. People cannot and will not improve if you gas them.

Keep it simple lizzy

Simple isnt the right word. Improve the wording? Yes. Simple? No. Good verses are creative, not simple.

Overall I liked both reads In think one was a little better w/concepts making his punches more damaging

You heavily critqued both verses but liked the read? Again this is a little hypocritical.

Voted: FyaWurdz: 6 / _Lizman_: 7

Not in a million years. Altho you had the right winner.

Things i agreed with

Fya- To start with DONT talk about yourself in a battle, focus on dissing your opponent every bar

Yep, unless its relevant to the punchline then its wasted bars.

When you did attempt a punch i felt it was not very creative due to weak concepts and poor structure. Mix that in with broken multies and you really have a lot of areas to improve on.

Agreed with this completely. The structure was a big part.

After the opener you went back to the same ol liz with confusing schemes multies that didnt work and attempted to do wayyyy to much with your bars.

This touches on what i said about wording, but gets to the same sort of point.

Erupt

Things i disagreed with:

Ait so heres the deal.. Its actually okay to talk about yourself in battles but pref. Longer battles.. Adds that swag factor..

I agree with the advice, but its like teaching a baby how to moonwalk. aka its a bit early for them to try that lol.

Liz.. You understand complexity.. Should prolly try other/more generic punches.

I dont think anyone should try generic punches, and i dont think he understands complexity. He understands conceptual themes, but not how to use them properly at all.

Things i agreed with:

"Fya your multis need work.. You have a good structure.. Stay away from multis like WEAK OR TOO".. They were capped for no reason n messes up the flow.. Work on addin more punches. Try not to drag out the same concepts in 8 liners n maxamize the space wit punches.."

Agreed with all of this, helpful advice.

U have a problem with multis aswell.. Also your lines take awhile to get to the punch somtimes..

Both accurate critques imo.

Fya.. On the plus side u understand punches.. Just need more creativity..

Altho vague it is advice that will help.

Voted: FyaWurdz: 3 / _Lizman_: 5

Altho still a bit high imo, i think you picked the right winner. I'd of scored it at 3-3.

Overall

Erupt has always been a good voter imo, altho he tends to word his critques a little confusingly sometimes. Unque impressed me somewhat here. He still has the bad habits most voters have nowadays (overratings, wording critques issues).

I think both deserve praise altho if this is a competition Erupt gets my vote.

1/

**RhetoriK** · #48 07-27-2012, 05:30 PM

Illokwent vs Path

I went with Illokwent because of the way that he went into detail and gave examples about how to improve the content. it was a clear cut explanation that was objective. it's harder to judge below-par battles in my opinion. Path, you had the right idea, but the expo wasn't as polished. i really liked how you gave an example of an issue and followed with a personal account that gave light to how to solve it though. both did well, but think of it this way. the more simple/un-refined a battle is, the less the battlers will understand a blown out expo. simple=simple. follow-up with them later, but they're not going to understand or grasp it all at once.

BP Pride vs Shinigami

I went this direction on this battle, however i agreed with both expos. BP focused on the reasoning behind the vote more than actual pointers which is great, the aim is to be an accurate voter. Although both of you were right, BP got the decision correct (rankings and all).

Phenomonon vs Student

This decision was based on how constructive the feedback was. Both had rather long expos, but in the case of the two battlers it was needed lol Student just put things more eloquently and his line for line expo really solidifies votes because it's completely objective to the work the writers put out.

Feedback for all -

-I have a problem with general terms like 'work on complexity' or anything that's THAT general. Complexity in what? the rhyme scheme? the content? it's gotta be direct and concise information or you're going to confuse the fuck outta someone.

-Quoting bars. Some of you need to stop quoting entire verses. Explain the bars and keep shit simple. they know what they wrote, just preface it with "First Line:", "Next Line:" etc or "the i did ja mamma line:" we're dealing with newer cats that'll easily get lost in translation. i'd like to see some of these long long expos consolidated. that's what the PM are for.. follow-ups!

Great job everyone. I didn't vote on any DPS bouts, but Good luck to everyone in the upcoming rounds.

**RhetoriK** · 07-27-2012, 05:30 PM

Illokwent vs Path

I went with Illokwent because of the way that he went into detail and gave examples about how to improve the content. it was a clear cut explanation that was objective. it's harder to judge below-par battles in my opinion. Path, you had the right idea, but the expo wasn't as polished. i really liked how you gave an example of an issue and followed with a personal account that gave light to how to solve it though. both did well, but think of it this way. the more simple/un-refined a battle is, the less the battlers will understand a blown out expo. simple=simple. follow-up with them later, but they're not going to understand or grasp it all at once.

BP Pride vs Shinigami

I went this direction on this battle, however i agreed with both expos. BP focused on the reasoning behind the vote more than actual pointers which is great, the aim is to be an accurate voter. Although both of you were right, BP got the decision correct (rankings and all).

Phenomonon vs Student

This decision was based on how constructive the feedback was. Both had rather long expos, but in the case of the two battlers it was needed lol Student just put things more eloquently and his line for line expo really solidifies votes because it's completely objective to the work the writers put out.

Feedback for all -

-I have a problem with general terms like 'work on complexity' or anything that's THAT general. Complexity in what? the rhyme scheme? the content? it's gotta be direct and concise information or you're going to confuse the fuck outta someone.

-Quoting bars. Some of you need to stop quoting entire verses. Explain the bars and keep shit simple. they know what they wrote, just preface it with "First Line:", "Next Line:" etc or "the i did ja mamma line:" we're dealing with newer cats that'll easily get lost in translation. i'd like to see some of these long long expos consolidated. that's what the PM are for.. follow-ups!

Great job everyone. I didn't vote on any DPS bouts, but Good luck to everyone in the upcoming rounds.