Religious conversation

[Babylon]

Let's have a bit of a religious conversation, shall we? Only rules are don't get butthurt, and don't be a cunt.


My question is, what reason to you have to not accept Evolution as the most likely situation equaling in our existence, religious people?

Generally ignorant things said by people who have no clue what they're talking about on this subject:

"We came from monkeys" No. We didn't. They are a distant "cousin" like creature to us.

"How did life start, then?" Evolution says nothing about the origins of life. Evolution is simply how it evolved once it was already here.

etc

etc

etc

And now I'm going to simply explain what Evolution is, to those who don't really know.


Every living organism is made up of cells, these cells hold a nucleus, the nucleus holds chromosomes, the chromosomes hold DNA, DNA is made up of Genes, genes which determine the characteristics that make up whatever the living organism "is". Your genes determined that you are blonde, brunette, are generally tall, etc, etc, etc. Each time a species gives birth, the characteristics of the offspring vary. None are alike, even twins are genetically different. This increases the diversity and uniqueness within the species immensely, and never ceases as long as reproduction occurs. Mutations, or random changes in DNA determine even further changes within the offspring, these mutations can result in cell manipulation, giving you cancer, or in neutral/positive ways, such as giving you blue eyes. These random mutations affect a gamete, or a sperm/egg cell, in random ways. Here's where natural selection comes into play, there are extensive variation within a species. Environmental influences have a large affect on species, and these selections are determined by things such as parasites, predators, toxins, climate, changes in habitat, etc. Every living creature is affected by this selection, and it helps them to survive in their environment. Those with the beneficial mix of random genetic characteristics do not die off from the surrounding effects of their environment, and those who have poor traits within it die off. This leaves, for the most part, the ones with the genetic prowess to survive.

The result of these things surviving are them passing on their traits to their offspring, who will get a random mix of the traits from within their parents and have their own as well.


Take the Darwins Finch argument for example:

A long time ago a group of Finches were blown onto the Galapagos islands, most likely by a large storm. Whilst there, they mated. After a time, there were an insane amount of Finches on these islands, and food became scarce. Throughout the years of scarce food supplies, some Finches were born with sharper-more pointy beaks, so that they could pluck worms from the ground to eat. Other finches were born with more bulky beaks, so that they could crack open seeds and eat the insides. These very slightly beaks were a result of random genetic chances, as explained above. As more of these Finches were born with these slight differences in beak types, they began to create ecological niches, and within these niches they were safe from the food competition the entirety of the population gave. A lot of finches born with normal beaks died off, because the food scarcity became too much and they starved. The niche-dwelling Finches strayed to themselves to avoid any of this competition, and began to mate with finches that primarily used the same niche (Note that not all of the population did this, just a substantial amount.) Over the course of many generations, these separate mating niches produces varying offspring based upon not only the hereditary genetics given from their parents, but the random DNA explained above. The beak difference characteristics were enhanced over many generations, as the parents that had them were passed on to the different birds. On and on these beak types became more and more prevalent until the seed crackers and the worm-diggers were so different genetically that they were no longer able to mate with one another. Thus two separate species of Finch were born. This is evolution. Today there are 14 different species living on the Galapagos islands, all descending from that flock that originated all that time ago. This explains why apes scale from tree to tree, why fish adapted lights on their heads to combat the darkness & be able to hunt.


So, care to answer my first question, anyone?

[Shodan]

To answer your question:

Science and logic are creations of Satan. They are designed to pull us away from God and send us into hell. The only way to combat this is to read the Bible until the crimethink subsides.

---------- Post added at 04:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:37 PM ----------

To answer your question:

Science and logic are creations of satan designed to pull us away from God. The only way to combat this is to read the Bible until the crimethink subsides. If you do not, you will be tortured forever in Hell. We know all this because the Bible says so.

---------- Post added at 04:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:38 PM ----------

To answer your question:

Science and logic are creations of satan designed to pull us away from God. The only way to combat this is to read the Bible until the crimethink subsides. If you do not, you will be tortured forever in Hell. We know all this because the Bible says so.

I left a really long winded and intelligent response to your question. But then LB shit out on me and deleted it. I had 3 paragraphs. I will now summarize this in a series of hashtags.

#fuckreligion #Manmade #Evolutionisthere #Facts #Idobelieveinacreatorjustnotreligion

#wearentalone #spiritualityoverreligion last but not least #sciencebitch

I left a really long winded and intelligent response to your question. But then LB shit out on me and deleted it. I had 3 paragraphs. I will now summarize this in a series of hashtags.

#fuckreligion #Manmade #Evolutionisthere #Facts #Idobelieveinacreatorjustnotreligion

#wearentalone #spiritualityoverreligion last but not least #sciencebitch

[TerraByte]

I would be interested in an answer from a creationist as well. I simply have never understood how it is a more logical response to the evidence available. I've pretty much always been an atheist my entire life, and try to be as logical and skeptical as possible daily. I also have made debate of this topic a pet subject. Might be an interesting/weird idea for a battle with one defending the point the other arguing against it.

[Babylon]

@Nyarlathotep - Oh boy if Lockhart was here you'd get so many "I'll pray for you"'s that your face would explode.

@Enfinite - That's probably the best way I've ever seen a response in that situation, I usually just punch my dog in the face and go running to let off steam when that happens.

So, what you're saying is that you're Diestic? Valid belief, I'm somewhat on the Diest scale I believe. What leads you to conclude that there is some creator for us, though?

evolution has too many holes for it to be accepted as how we got here.



and science did not create Satan. That's absurd

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Row

evolution has too many holes for it to be accepted as how we got here.

1) Care to elaborate on these holes? And if you've actually found holes within the theory of evolution, something that millions of people accept as fact, why don't you have a Nobel prize?

2) Evolution says nothing about how we got here, did you even read the OP before commenting?

Originally Posted by Crysis

1) Care to elaborate?
2) Evolution says nothing about how we got here, did you even read the OP before commenting?

Originally Posted by Crysis

1) Care to elaborate?
2) Evolution says nothing about how we got here, did you even read the OP before commenting?

1) I'd love too, sadly gotta step out now so i'll be back later.
2) no i didnt lol , i will before i respond.

just to throw it in,

3) Lockhart aint know shit. I'll preach to yall

[TerraByte]

Row, that's simply not all that true any more. There are very little holes in most evolutionary chains, and the sheer amount of transitional fossils are just ridiculous, particularly when it comes to humans. Don't get me wrong, there are still SOME holes, just not all that many.

What would you define as too many holes to be justified as a good answer?