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**Joe MuGGz** · #14 11-05-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dono

It's not about the individual level, it's on a statistical level. Statistically speaking, white people are more likely to get jobs over their black counterparts even when they have the exact same qualifications. Does that mean it'll happen everywhere in every situation? No.

So yes, it's possible to overcome disadvantage, but to say race isn't at all a factor is completely delusional. There's countless studies that show otherwise. Or would you like to contend that black individuals, women, and other minorities that have statistically worse outcomes are inherently less talented than white people?

Well said sir

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@UnEtH .. See what you started?? lol..

@Mindless ... Thanks for your input.. Im sure you know that this debate could go on and on.. But instead of getting all rebuttal-ish, I actually like your point of view..

And yes.. Cherry Swirl does suck.. but if you represent millions of people, and they all voted and united to say that 'We Want Cherry Swirl', Don't let your personal opinion stop the people from getting the damn swirl. With that said, once you do give them the swirl, dont consider it as a personal failure, and then do all you can to make the swirl seem horrible.

Obama being the swirl.. He aint perfect.. never claimed to be.. but the taxpayers wanted him... we voted.. we won.. now that he's in office, it isnt wise to do all you can to shit on everything he touches.. even if it's a great bill.. idea.. etc.. it isnt wise to go against it just to spite him, not caring if it will damage the US... and shut down the Gov.. It's like spitting in a fan.. it always comes back in your face..

Dislike Obama?: Shit on any bill he tries to pass.. When it still passes.. Do all you can to 'defund' it... In process... the Gov shuts down.. People go without pay.. EXCEPT those who shut the Gov down.. let's not forget that they was exempt from all furloughs and got 100% of their paychecks.. while the people they claim they are fighting for is starving.. On top of that.. let's cut all Gov assisting programs.. and take a huge chop at unemployment RIGHT when it's needed most... yea that makes since... smh..

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Originally Posted by Mindless

Two posts in and I already have to start correcting shit. I'm just going to ignore Eth because, well, Eth. Let's get this over with 'cause I need to give my dog a bath.

Wrong. They started guarding him earlier because primaries start earlier than they used to and all presidential candidates receive secret service as soon as they request it. Hell, Reagan announced he was running in November of 79 and requested secret service protection and got it the same day. The same as any other major party candidate would get. That's how it works. If you're in one of the two major parties, you announce your candidacy and then request Secret Service protection. Then you get it.

As far as the death threats thing, there isn't actually any evidence that he received more than any other presidential candidate. In fact, during a Homeland Security meeting Secret Service director Mark Sullivan told Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton that the number of threats and "inappropriate interests" were at the same level as it had been for the previous two presidents.

A few crazies don't spoil the whole pot. No matter how loud they are. Then you have the media finding these people and running with it so they can say "SEE! SEE! This is what people who don't agree with leftism look like! All of them are like this!"

To be fair, neither of them had foreign born parents. Obama is the first president to have a foreign born president in well over a hundred years I think. It's kind of neat. I'm surprised more isn't said about that. Here you have a guy who's not just the first mixed race president but also in some respects the first one to have a parent who wasn't born an American citizen in a very long time. It's incredibly interesting.

First, free speech protects speech you don't like. Not speech you do. Second, those people are evidence of the increasingly radicalised American political system. Also, leftism is often compared to fascism because leftism is often equated with a super powerful state.

Liberal tripe. "You don't know you're a racist but you are. That's why you don't like liberal policies." Let's get something clear. I fucking LOATHE Obama and it has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his politics. That same loathing applies to Dianne Feinstein, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, etc. Because these people don't care about the American people. They care about their agendas and they care about keeping themselves in a ruling class above everyone else. Don't tell me I'm a secret racist or a secret woman hater because I don't like Obama or Clinton.

Or they could, and bare with me here, legitimately hate the ideology and motives a person holds. I hate Nazis. Is that some underlying subconscious feeling I'm not acknowledging? Or is it that I legitimately hate the ideals they hold about my people? Could I not feel the same way about leftist ideals? Couldn't I, with a full understanding of Socialist and Progressive values, hold them in such contempt that when I find someone who expresses those values, hold them in contempt as well?

Wrong again. When Rush said "I hope he fails" he was talking about Obama pushing his Progressive agenda on the country because he believed it would be disastrous for the country. He wasn't necessarily wrong.

Also not all conservatives, constitutionalist, libertarians, etc are Republicans (I assume you meant the party. When referring to the party you should use an upper case R. I would say that I'm a republican in that I believe that a republic as a system of government is best but I would never refer to myself as a Republican.) Also, what the fuck were they going to do to stop Obama? Srsly bro.

Yes and yes. Now here's a question for you. Why is it okay for liberals to go on and on about killing Bush and burn him in effigy and all the shit they pulled when he was president but when the other side offers any negative opinion about Obama at all it's not cool? I'm not defending Bush here at all. He was a fucking twat. What I'm saying is that you can't just define free speech as only what you agree with. Besides, you should be critical of all elected officials. Always. No politician, regardless of skin color or politics, should be above critique. When that happens you're on your way to tyranny and that's not a road we want to go on.

I just can't even begin to understand the hypocritical shit that goes on in liberal minds. First you say it's okay to disagree with him on politics and then you say the entire Republican party is just full of racists who only don't like him because of his color. Do you not understand that Progressivism and the ideals the Republican party is supposed to stand for (but usually doesn't) of conservatism are opposites? They don't mesh. So of course they're going to not what Progressive policy going through when that's the very thing they're being elected into office to stand against. This isn't rocket surgery. If it's you, me and another Jewish guy and you want cherry swirl ice cream and we want mint chocolate chip and in a vote we vote against you is it because you're black? Or is it because we think cherry swirl is shit?

**Joe MuGGz** · 11-05-2013, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dono

It's not about the individual level, it's on a statistical level. Statistically speaking, white people are more likely to get jobs over their black counterparts even when they have the exact same qualifications. Does that mean it'll happen everywhere in every situation? No.

So yes, it's possible to overcome disadvantage, but to say race isn't at all a factor is completely delusional. There's countless studies that show otherwise. Or would you like to contend that black individuals, women, and other minorities that have statistically worse outcomes are inherently less talented than white people?

Well said sir

---------- Post added at 02:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:01 PM ----------

@UnEtH .. See what you started?? lol..

@Mindless ... Thanks for your input.. Im sure you know that this debate could go on and on.. But instead of getting all rebuttal-ish, I actually like your point of view..

And yes.. Cherry Swirl does suck.. but if you represent millions of people, and they all voted and united to say that 'We Want Cherry Swirl', Don't let your personal opinion stop the people from getting the damn swirl. With that said, once you do give them the swirl, dont consider it as a personal failure, and then do all you can to make the swirl seem horrible.

Obama being the swirl.. He aint perfect.. never claimed to be.. but the taxpayers wanted him... we voted.. we won.. now that he's in office, it isnt wise to do all you can to shit on everything he touches.. even if it's a great bill.. idea.. etc.. it isnt wise to go against it just to spite him, not caring if it will damage the US... and shut down the Gov.. It's like spitting in a fan.. it always comes back in your face..

Dislike Obama?: Shit on any bill he tries to pass.. When it still passes.. Do all you can to 'defund' it... In process... the Gov shuts down.. People go without pay.. EXCEPT those who shut the Gov down.. let's not forget that they was exempt from all furloughs and got 100% of their paychecks.. while the people they claim they are fighting for is starving.. On top of that.. let's cut all Gov assisting programs.. and take a huge chop at unemployment RIGHT when it's needed most... yea that makes since... smh..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindless

Two posts in and I already have to start correcting shit. I'm just going to ignore Eth because, well, Eth. Let's get this over with 'cause I need to give my dog a bath.

Wrong. They started guarding him earlier because primaries start earlier than they used to and all presidential candidates receive secret service as soon as they request it. Hell, Reagan announced he was running in November of 79 and requested secret service protection and got it the same day. The same as any other major party candidate would get. That's how it works. If you're in one of the two major parties, you announce your candidacy and then request Secret Service protection. Then you get it.

As far as the death threats thing, there isn't actually any evidence that he received more than any other presidential candidate. In fact, during a Homeland Security meeting Secret Service director Mark Sullivan told Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton that the number of threats and "inappropriate interests" were at the same level as it had been for the previous two presidents.

A few crazies don't spoil the whole pot. No matter how loud they are. Then you have the media finding these people and running with it so they can say "SEE! SEE! This is what people who don't agree with leftism look like! All of them are like this!"

To be fair, neither of them had foreign born parents. Obama is the first president to have a foreign born president in well over a hundred years I think. It's kind of neat. I'm surprised more isn't said about that. Here you have a guy who's not just the first mixed race president but also in some respects the first one to have a parent who wasn't born an American citizen in a very long time. It's incredibly interesting.

First, free speech protects speech you don't like. Not speech you do. Second, those people are evidence of the increasingly radicalised American political system. Also, leftism is often compared to fascism because leftism is often equated with a super powerful state.

Liberal tripe. "You don't know you're a racist but you are. That's why you don't like liberal policies." Let's get something clear. I fucking LOATHE Obama and it has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his politics. That same loathing applies to Dianne Feinstein, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, etc. Because these people don't care about the American people. They care about their agendas and they care about keeping themselves in a ruling class above everyone else. Don't tell me I'm a secret racist or a secret woman hater because I don't like Obama or Clinton.

Or they could, and bare with me here, legitimately hate the ideology and motives a person holds. I hate Nazis. Is that some underlying subconscious feeling I'm not acknowledging? Or is it that I legitimately hate the ideals they hold about my people? Could I not feel the same way about leftist ideals? Couldn't I, with a full understanding of Socialist and Progressive values, hold them in such contempt that when I find someone who expresses those values, hold them in contempt as well?

Wrong again. When Rush said "I hope he fails" he was talking about Obama pushing his Progressive agenda on the country because he believed it would be disastrous for the country. He wasn't necessarily wrong.

Also not all conservatives, constitutionalist, libertarians, etc are Republicans (I assume you meant the party. When referring to the party you should use an upper case R. I would say that I'm a republican in that I believe that a republic as a system of government is best but I would never refer to myself as a Republican.) Also, what the fuck were they going to do to stop Obama? Srsly bro.

Yes and yes. Now here's a question for you. Why is it okay for liberals to go on and on about killing Bush and burn him in effigy and all the shit they pulled when he was president but when the other side offers any negative opinion about Obama at all it's not cool? I'm not defending Bush here at all. He was a fucking twat. What I'm saying is that you can't just define free speech as only what you agree with. Besides, you should be critical of all elected officials. Always. No politician, regardless of skin color or politics, should be above critique. When that happens you're on your way to tyranny and that's not a road we want to go on.

I just can't even begin to understand the hypocritical shit that goes on in liberal minds. First you say it's okay to disagree with him on politics and then you say the entire Republican party is just full of racists who only don't like him because of his color. Do you not understand that Progressivism and the ideals the Republican party is supposed to stand for (but usually doesn't) of conservatism are opposites? They don't mesh. So of course they're going to not what Progressive policy going through when that's the very thing they're being elected into office to stand against. This isn't rocket surgery. If it's you, me and another Jewish guy and you want cherry swirl ice cream and we want mint chocolate chip and in a vote we vote against you is it because you're black? Or is it because we think cherry swirl is shit?