You know what, I'm gonna vote on this. Get prepared cause I'm gonna be a gigantic asshole to the both of you because 1) I wanna see you both improve from here (always room for improvement) and 2) This is a rivalry battle, so being in asshole mode is in order.

Seul:

If he don't stop talkin sports? I'll CLEAVE THIS FAGGOT HERE so best beLIEVE I'LL STAB THIS QUEER you'll "Find a Blade Through Ce" like the CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!!!

Filler first multi aside (you know it is. It's just there to enhance the flow, but it isn't needed), this isn't a bad bar, but definitely not your strongest. I feel you could've set this up to be more related to basketball than just saying "If he don't stop talking sports". Read that again, bro. That's an incredibly weak start to a bar where the end of it is you stabbing him. The whole premise over stabbing a dude for talking about sports is just... Weird. The punch in itself is ok, but like I said before, it could've been much better if set up properly.

Tear HH limbs-w/-a-sword you'll get ya DAWGS HURT NEXT! Or I'll "Swing-at-Ya-Core" like the "Pendulum in COGSWORTH'S CHEST"!!!!!!

The flow in this bar with the two sets of multis is good, but the bar isn't really building up to a punch with the way you worded it. You're saying you MIGHT swing at his core like the pendulum in Cogsworth's Chest. The way it's worded is self-hype over anything else, and obviously doesn't land as a punchline because of it.

You softa' than a limited eDITION FURBY I'll have my-guys do drive-bys while LICKIN' THIRTY "These Whips'll Cause More Damage" than a demoLITION DERBY!!

Decent mini jab you added at the beginning along with decent flow due to the inner multis, but the wording isn't exactly precise on this one (I'm being nitpicky, so just hear me out). You're saying your guys are gonna drive-bys on him, implying they'll shoot him, but then say the cars themselves will do the damage. See the flaw in the wording there? Just isn't matching up perfectly like it should because of the wording. It would've made the punch hit that much harder with better wording.

You beatin me's a "Mammoth of a-task" so I gotta-ask, who's the-ass that aSSURED HIM his LIFES SAFE? Now we'll see his "Whole Camp Get Pelted Up" like "Cavemen DURIN' the ICE AGE"!!!!!!!

This was probably your best bar of the verse, and it's good to end it off on a high note, even though it wasn't a punch aimed directly at him. Feel like the way you set it up from the mammoth of a task setup to the pelted setup to the punchline was pretty good and it obviously helped your bar hit that much better. Flow of it was pretty good as well, although I don't think you need to add the dashes to signify the one syllable multis you were using. Idk just preference on that one, I guess. Good end to the verse, though.

Now, on to Cecil:

While he’s “steady hoping for a spar” it’ll be a FAIRY’S WISH HIS PUNCHES STICK, catch me AIRING CLIPS AND TOUCHIN’ FIFTHS he knows ain’t SPARING HIM “DESTRUCTIVE HITS” that would have them “patching this mod up” like I’m “rePAIRING KITS ON CUSTOM WHIPS!!!”

So I'm gonna have to break this down as a whole 4 lines because of how long it takes to get to the first punch. I'm not entirely sure why you decided to take so long to get to the punchline, tbh. I get the whole premise of patching up the mod/custom whips and all, but you could've easily shorten this down to like 2 lines and gotten the same result. A lot of the space before the punch feels like filler, if I'm honest. Also you had some shit in quotes that doesn't really have anything to do with your final punch at all, which kinda confused me cause I'm thinking why is steady hoping for a spar and DESTRUCTIVE HITS in quotes when they don't have any connection to the punch? Idk, man. You really could've and should've shortened this down by about 2 lines, imo. 

still dropping played lines? Must be “WEARING THIN ON SUBSTANCE KID!” which means “this food is easy to bag” and “CARRY IN w/ LUNCHEON ZIPS!!” so when he feels the Weight-Of-Both-The-Flow-And-Storm it’ll ”Make His Home The Ocean Floor” like he’s “GARY IN THE SPONGE’S SIT!!!” 

I won't lie, the irony behind saying he drops played punches and then dropping a bag punch of any kind isn't lost on me. Once again, I gotta ask: why is "WEARING THIN ON SUBSTANCE KID" in quotation marks? What does it add to your line on him being food that's easy to bag? I'm serious on this, too, because I'm really not sure on this. The wording for the next multi isn't very good at all, if I'm honest. What is a luncheon zip? How is it any different from a regular zip? Why is it a zip in the first place? To fit the scheme? If that's the case, then that's an incredibly lazy attempt to feign complexity over something that doesn't make sense. No one calls them zips, they're Ziplocs. Now on to the final punch. I liked how you added in the inner multis to up the flow a little bit while trying to maintain the scheme you're going with, but the final rhyme you used for your scheme to go along with the setup to your punch undid all of it. SpongeBob isn't a sitcom. It isn't even considered an animated sitcom like what The Simpsons or Family Guy is, it's a cartoon comedy, so that made it entirely wrong there. Next up, you worded sitcom as SIT just to try to fit the scheme, even though no one calls a sitcom a sit, as far as I'm aware, and just to be nitpicky, Gary's home isn't an ocean floor, it's SpongeBob's Pineapple. This was just another attempt at trying to make a bar seem more complex than what it actually is by wording it in a weird, convoluted way that doesn't translate properly.

Ok, now that that's over with. This battle proved a few things to me (both of you can PM me on how I'm an asshole after this. Irdc.)

1. Both have instances of filler and wording issues that need to be dealt with after this battle.

2. For a rivalry battle, an 8 liner is a huge letdown. This should've been at least a 16, and maybe even a 32.

3. Nothing has really changed over the past 7 months between the two in terms of bar quality compared to the last battle you two had, and that's disappointing to see.

With that said, I'm giving the exact same ratings I gave for the last battle you two had. I'm an asshole. Have a nice day.

I have to say that following the build-up to this battle I am kind of disappointed. Both battlers dropped verses that I thought were pretty solid but nothing to write home about. But what does a battle with a stupidly long build-up deserve? A stupidly long vote! I normally base my votes off of my holistic impression of each verse, but since so much about this battle has already been aired out in the open I think I've probably been affected too much to do that fairly, so instead I'm going to score it one line at a time then see who did better at the end. As of the time I wrote this sentence, I had not already made up my mind in favour of either battler.

SEUL:

1st bar (If he don't — Cavaliers): Execution wise this was an extremely clean and effective bar. I'm a big fan of using a multi 3+ times in 1 bar and it was done really well here, the scheme was kept almost perfect and was reasonably complex. However, the conceptual strength wasn't nearly as strong. The set up all came in between the second and third multies, in the second line. Although I guess the Cavaliers do have some tenuous link to Cecil talking about sports, I didn't think the actual amount of creativity and cleverness going on here was on the level of the execution.

Execution: 4/5Concept: 2.5/5Total: 6.5/10

2nd bar (Tear HH — Cogsworth's chest): A nice combination of two schemes built a very fluid and clear bar here which landed cleanly and effectively. The consonants in your capitalised scheme in this bar matched almost perfectly, although the multi itself was quite short and simple. The wording of the first line wasn't perfect; I don't really think people "tear" anything with a sword. You can "tear into" something with a sword or just "cut" something with a sword, but tearing is usually more of a pulling-apart motion from what I know. Nevertheless your wording in the second line was flawless, so overall your execution in this bar was still very effective. Conceptually, you again left building the wordplay/metaphors until the second line of the punch which meant it didn't land as hard; the actual concept was fresh (in my limited experience) and I thought it was quite a nice punch, but again it didn't land as hard as it had the potential to because it wasn't built into enough of a hit.

Execution: 3.5/5Concept: 3/5Total: 6.5/10

3rd bar (You softa' — derby): I think this was probably your weakest bar in terms of both execution and concept. The internal rhyming was clean but basic, I didn't think it added a great deal to the punch but it certainly took nothing away; the multi scheme itself however was problematic for you. Firstly, in dialects I've spoken "furby/derby" have totally different pronunciations, and although after consideration I gave you the benefit of the doubt that this was down to accent/dialect differences it did detract from my initial impression of the bar. Furthermore, I thought this scheme wasn't stuck to as cleanly as others, particularly given its simplicity. The syllables just didn't align as perfectly as such a simple multi would normally involve, particularly in differences between the second multi in the scheme and the other two. Concept-wise, the bar was also a bit lacklustre. The "whips" wordplay isn't fresh by any stretch of the imagination and though the demolition derby take on it wasn't totally played it still felt very predictable and not very creative. The Furby line was fun but was just face-value stuff (you're softer than something that is very soft) so it didn't really add much aside from rhyming, but you did manage to build up to your punch (kind of) over both of the other two-thirds of the bar which was good to see.

Execution: 2/5Concept: 2/5Total: 4/5

4th bar (You beatin — the ice age): This bar was a very solid closer and though it had a few flaws was generally quite effective. The execution was hampered by the internal rhyming. I felt like the flow of the first line in terms of stressing syllables, meter etc. was interrupted by having to adjust stressing to accomodate the internal rhymes. Especially given that they were very basic, two-syllable sets that didn't even rhyme perfectly the third time around I thought that they actually took more away from the bar than they added to it. If you had scrapped the "the ass" and just make it "of-a-task/gotta-ask" imo that would have been cleaner and actually more impressive. As it was I thought your disrupted first line was then followed by a short, smooth, clean second which effectively wrapped up your verse with a nice punch, the line-ending multies were both complex and relatively clean; not perfect rhymes but certainly enough. I didn't think you needed to de-capitalise the "him/the" because I thought they matched about as well as the rest of their respective multies anyway. Conceptually I liked this bar, you did spread the concept over both lines. The "mammoth" wordplay in the first line wasn't true wordplay just conceptual association but it did add to the punch; and then the final line carried out the wordplay well and delivered a fresh and hard-hitting punch.

Execution: 2.5/5Concept: 3.5/5Total: 6/10

SEUL FINAL: 23/40

CECIL:

1st & 2nd bars (While he's — custom whips): Keeping up a complex and well-done scheme through your verse was effective execution-wise, although I did feel at times that you worded things a bit unusually to accomodate it. Calling something "a fairy's wish" isn't really a thing people do in my experience, although I got what you meant (I think) so I gave you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I thought your multies worked reasonably cleanly for a verse-long scheme and you kept them quite frequent in this first half which was quite good for your execution. I did find a few phrases a bit questionable (airing clips makes me think of drying them after you put them through the wash) but I mostly gave you the benefit of the doubt because I know very little about North American (or European) colloquialisms; but still your wording did take away from my enjoyment of the bar a bit. Conceptually you only actually had one punch which was only really carried out in the fourth line. That meant you had three lines of what was essentially well-executed filler, so that wasn't great. The punch itself I thought was actually quite well-thought-out, it just would have benefited from having the wordplay exploited more in a longer conceptual setup. I know that your first three lines were related to the "im gonna fuck Seul up" meaning of the punch, but try to tie them in to the "fixing a custom car" meaning to make the blow into more of a haymaker.

Execution: 2.5/5 + 2.5/5 Concept: 1/5 + 2.5/5 Total: 8.5/20

3rd bar (still dropping — luncheon zips): The execution in this bar unfortunately prevents a pretty solid concept from landing as heavily as it could have here. The first line comes off smoothly and effectively, but "this food is easy to bag" really left me confused. Are you saying Seul is like food? If so, since this wasn't built into a narrative about how you would chew him up and spit him out or something like that, that isn't exactly a savage diss. I'm assuming bagging him in this case is putting him in a bodybag. But the end result was that a concept I really liked my first time reading it ended up just confusing me and not really hitting at all after I looked at the line more closely. Your concept here was actually reasonably original in my experience, and despite the fact that the wording kind of lost the meaning I did get what you meant on my first skim-read of your verse. Best of all, you actually set up the punch through both lines of the bar this time which counted in your favour. If not for the serious wording issues this could have been botb.

Execution: 1.5/5 Concept: 3/5 Total: 4.5/10

4th bar (so when he — sponge's sit): Your closer was easily your best bar here. The internal-rhyming was really clean and complex and aided the fluidity and impact of the punch. There were no real wording issues; I don't think I've ever heard Spongebob Squarepants be called a sitcom but I guess if you think about it it kind of is, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt on that. Conceptually though, the bar was a bit weak. The metaphor of your verse being a "flow and storm" was quite good, but the actual punch and wordplay was very basic. "you'll be on the ocean floor like a thing that is on the ocean floor" isn't the most creative punch and barely qualifies as wordplay. Especially when Gary has a shell, there was so much more you could do with this idea to really build a strong concept and I was kind of disappointed that your best execution was paired with probably your weakest concept.

Execution: 4/5 Concept: 2/5 Total: 6/10

CECIL FINAL: 19/40

RIP Cecil

Im waiting..........

PUNISH

EXPO:

- He always in the shoutbox thinking he's apart of FOX Sports. Cleveland logo has a blade going through the letter C.

Rest is straight forward.

LoD

The loads weapon part was kinda corny to me honestly. Seul won this because the punches were more creative. Both had good multis

aeyo!!

PUNISH shit in this bitch all way yo !!!

Crazy battle will be back to vote

6-3,the second verse emcee couldn't mustard enough up and ketchup he just whas behind slow stream the first emcee just whas good wit raps and for the win verse

Cecil - Now, you know that "*loads rifle....* shit is filler to just add to the box. Unneeded, unecessary. So was the R.I.P Seul. and PUMISH!!!! part. If you can't fill the box, don't accept. A week of buildup, I'd think you could at least drop eight. Set aside all that though, let's jump into the actual content. Your multis were, as always, not short of impressive. Your punches didn't always work. For instance, the "Gary in the Sponge's Sit!!!" line was clever, but worded awkwardly and didn't work well. I do like how you were able to use the multi through your whole verse. It shows your strength and creativity of being able to make 4 sets of the same multi, but there's two sides of that coin, and it also shows a lack of strength and creativity for your literally using the same syllabic flow throughout. Your metaphors were definitely your strongest point. Your wp's were decent, but going against someone like Seul, you have to be more than decent.

Seul - "If he don't stop talkin sports? I'll CLEAVE THIS FAGGOT HERE so best beLIEVE I'LL STAB THIS QUEER you'll "Find a Blade Through Ce" like the CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!!!" is one of the best bars I have ever. Cecil, take notes. This is how to use a syllabic flow more than once and make it work. Seul, your punches throughout the verse were nothing short of outstanding (at least in comparison of those of Cecil). Your multis were, as always, your strongest point. You always worked with a stronger scheme than Cecil, who for sure had a scheme, but was a tad inconsistent with it, whereas you stayed focus throughout. Your metaphors were decent, but definitely a weaker point for you. Your wp's were dope as well.

Overall - For a buildup as long as this, I did expect more from both sides. However, Seul won this by a landslide. I would love to see this further expanded on with more personal jabs that are more painful, as you both had good punches, but nothing devastating. 

Side note: Cecil you a pussy for blocking g u t s and Ginge from voting due to bias. If Seul's better, he's better.

Neithers best drop displayed here,  but I felt Seul took this with a bit more originality, and had the better wording of the two. 

Only negitive I have for Seul is that you rhymed limb and swing and they sound nothing alike. Both of you did a whip w/p, that is widely used and played as hell. Seul, you had the better of the two as far as creativness of said concept goes. So props there. Closer was your beat bar, and botr imo.

Cecil. I really expected more from you here, man. Starting off the verse with that first multi set lol that made a bad start to your verse. Fell off from there too. Too many multies crammed in that first bar, considering all the space it waisted with nothing hitting until the final line of it. 3 lines waisted against a well known tournament winner? Bad idea. Rest of your verse was the same. Stretched ass multies with no creative conceptual flips . 

Was expecting this battle to be personal as hell, yall let us down there. Seul takes this easily.  Anybody who says different needs to stop voting or kill themselves. Fairs in dudes.

PUNISH SHIT

This was worth the wait bith guy came out swingin and i wasnt disappointed. Saiyan did a nice job with scheming the entire verse and no real flaws to speak i see to monstrous shots custom whips and luncheon zips very clever you only had 1 other which was your closer and it was kinda light tho it still connected solid effort. Seul didnt scheme but man those were some powerful shots opener was real nice that led to the consistency he maintained throughout. Closer was a great finish all in all this was a great fight and i hope you 2 have a little more respect for each others craft now that you settled your differences in the ring i got Seul on the win for a higher heavier punch count super RESPECT to you both fairs in

Alright so I took the couple days to look at this and think about it. I'll just go Seul first then Saiyan. I'm a little more meticulous with this one because it is a rivalry bout and so each dude should be coming in tip top form.

Seul,

Let's start with what I didn't like. I can appreciate the nice metaphor with the cleveland logo line, but felt like it was kind of set-up weirdly, like, why would him talking about sports enrage you enough to stab him? is C/Ce (basically just C/C) enough to make a bar out of? Demolition derby as well was just a bit basic.

But what I did like was very, very well done. First of all, I just think from a readability standpoint your verse reads much better. Not as stretched out. I think that helped give you an edge. I also fux'd with the cogsworth line very heavy, and the closer was decent with a strong set up. I wasn't sure if you were going with some pelted like as in an animal pelt, in which case that doesn't work, but if it's just pelted like pelted with ice/pelted with bullets then its fine.

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Saiyan,

So what I didn't like. *loads rifle* shit like that gotta go. As I mentioned partially in the Seul portion, I thought you stretched out your rhymes a bit in comparison. It was nice to see you scheme the 8, but I think you sacrificed the quality of your punches, wording, and execution in the process. It took you way too long to get to the custom whips punch, almost HALF the verse. After that, wording issues crippled you big time homie. Like, what the hell is a luncheon zip? they're just called ziplocs. Not even to mention the ziploc punch itself is really stale (no pun intended). And calling a sitcom a SIT is just way too much of a liberty. It was extremely obvious that you did this shit just to fit the multi so you can scheme the entire 8. But it's costly. It's better to just start a new scheme than to force shit with horrid wording. 

What I liked? Well, I thought the custom whips punch was a good punch. I also liked the inner rhyming on the closer.

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Overall,

Both had ups and downs. Saiyan had more downs, and some stuff I just could NOT forgive him for (half the verse on 1 punch, ridiculous wording to fit multis). I mean, maybe against an average LB verse you would have been OK, but this was an average Seul verse that had a couple hard hitting punches with solid technicals.

So, with less whiffs (but still some), more solid fundamentals, and less/no reaching for punches or multis, I give the W to Seul.

noice

Y'all both had fire shit but I went wit Cecil on this one punches was heat and the flow was nice 

Seul salute to u 2 u wasn't far off just went wit wat I understood more 

Fair is in 

Great battle

Cecil: Took a bite while to get some puns out, only counted three for the whole 16, would like to see more creative. And harder jabs 

*Seul was more creative and had harder jabs 

PUNISH

Seul was coming consistently with nice punches, especially the closer, which was fucking heat. Cecil only had 3 real punches since it took him way too long to get to the first one, but that was aiight. Second punch was decent, third punch was a reach though, nobody calls a sitcom a "sit" as far as I know, plus I'm not convinced that Spongebob is actually a sitcom. I got Seul winning with harder punches over Cecil's tougher flow. Fair's in.